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Blaine said:
Ahhh. On this we differ. :thumbsup:
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Finally something!

I like M. Night's visual style for the most part, but too many of his stories have waaayyyyy to many plot holes to over look. FOR ME, his movies get stupider and stupider and just defy logic even though visually they seem to get better and better FOR ME.

And then there's just the whole pompous ass thing. I really can't get past that.

-Robert
 
Totally agree with you dude.

The in-depth reviews I've read for Lady in the Water have totally taken away any interest I may have had in it. Even the fact Paul Giamatti is the star won't get me into a seat for this one.
 
M NIGHT has got it going on. He is another one of those filmmakers whereas his films feel more like events than just another film.

I look forward to LADY.

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I love M Night's concepts.

And I love his cinematography and careful deliberate pacing.

But I've heard ALOT of bad things about the plotholes with Lady.

And that's what ruined Village for me. The glaring plotholes and implausibilty that took me out of the movie.

I was able to ignore them in Signs and i do love that flick. But the plot holes are M Night's kryptonite.
 
M.Night is a genious.

Yes, I'm looking forward to Lady, even though its not really my type of movie, but after Village, I have to give it a chance, not to mention the beautiful cinematography.
 
The Machinist said:
I love M Night's concepts.

And I love his cinematography and careful deliberate pacing.

But I've heard ALOT of bad things about the plotholes with Lady.

And that's what ruined Village for me. The glaring plotholes and implausibilty that took me out of the movie.

I was able to ignore them in Signs and i do love that flick. But the plot holes are M Night's kryptonite.
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Careful reserving judgement on something you aint seen !

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What plotholes on VILLAGE ? (I am not baiting Machine! You kow I love debating film!)
 
i don't think Night gets the benefit of the doubt on plot holes.

that amex commercial was just... weird. and not in a good way. m night is looking good though. i'm surprised he lives in Philly. He appears very "L.A."
 
Nothing feels real to me in Night's movies because logically my brain screams WTF??? Aliens afraid of water coming to a planet mostly of water? And they can't turn a freaking door knob? How can you over look that? For all the people touting what a genius Night is, perhaps they should stick to the word "gifted" instead.

He still has a long way to go, and maybe he'll get there if he leaves his ego at the door.
 
John_Hudson said:
Careful reserving judgement on something you aint seen !

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What plotholes on VILLAGE ? (I am not baiting Machine! You kow I love debating film!)
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Very true John. You can't always take other people's word when it comes to a movie you haven't seen.

As for the plotholes. It occured to me as I read your post a few hours ago it has been so long since I've watched this movie I couldn't remember exactly what about the story bothered me so much. So I just rewatched it and here goes:

I am not going to address the following issues becaue I feel that with almost every movie you have to give the story some allowances in order to enjoy yourself. So I won't bring up the fact that a blind girl found her way through unfamiliar woods, That no one has ever sneaked into this reserve before or that the government has kept the airspace secure which they could not do on 9-11 or even keep Area 51 a secret let alone some wildlife preserve that NO ONE is allowed near or over. Things like this always get noticed and something mysterious like the Village would not be kept such a well kept secret for so long if this were reality. But i can forgive these things for the sake of the story.

What I can not forgive is one of the main points of Shyamalan's concept. If you got tired of the violence of city life and had the money and resources to create your own utopian society why the hell would you force everyone to live like its 1890 thereby denying yourselves of some of the essential advancements of human society in the 20th century. I'm talking primarily here about medicine and health care. Why put yourselves into a situation where you have to let children die from illness that you could have prevented if you had the right medication? And don't tell me it's because you are abiding the lifestyle of late 19th century farmlife. Last history book i checked there weren't mythical porcupine beasts roaming the Great Plains more than a hundred years ago. If they could convince children of these creatures why not the miracle of Penicilin? Sticking to an "oath" at the cost of the death of an innocent person is ludicrous and evil to me. And to go ahead and let your blind daughter wander into the wilderness where a number of bad or fatal things could happen to her so she can go to "the towns" that you fear makes even less sense. I understand the concept and I do not deny that it is cool but i do not think it works. There is a logic here that I do not buy and it especially ruined the latter part of the film for me and that is a shame.

Because i do feel M Night is gifted. The love story here really reaches out and pulls on the ol' Machinist's heartstrings. And so does the jealousy of Adrian Brody's character. That is a part of the Village that i really like. The scene of the stabbing and when Noel is discovered in the rocking chair by his parents. I love that whole sequence. In fact I aspire in my own career to someday write and direct a sequence that powerful. Its the stuff of cinematic genius. But as much as I love this whole segment of the story I feel it is weighed down by M Night's insistance on conforming it to this concept of people trying to live like its 1899 again. Take that into consideration with the fake mythical beast costumes that apparently weren't hid very well (even though one would think they'd be guarded much more carefully than by a wood floor) and you've got plotholes (well at least by my definition).

I'd like to add that I would very much like to see M Night tell a more straight out thriller or suspenseful type of film. Something Hitchcockian where he doesn't feel the need to have a surprise reveal or stretch the boundaries of reality like the elastic band of a pair of pants at Big and Tall.

And lastly I'm looking forward very much to Ms. Howard's portrayal of Gwen Stacy in the next Spiderman. She is one of my fav. leading ladies.
 
Thats a great take and I cant rebuke. I agree with you 100% on these issues.

My acceptance level is lower I guess. (heh heh!)

Great take on it!
 
I feel M. Nights movies are getting more and more silly with each one. I started off really liking, and defending the guy. I have to agree with the plot holes bothering me. I totally get what you are saying. It's one of my complaints as well. I like how his movies are shot, although at times it's goes from being artistic to pretentious fast IMO.

Another thing that bothered me about The Village other than what The Machinist said is; I couldn't stand how cowardly almost everyone in this world was. Those two guys escorting the blind girl should have their butts kicked for being such wussies and not questioning the world around them. The elders were belly aching all day about how terrible life was before. The cadence of their speech also drove me up the freaking wall. I felt like they were reading cue cards, or it was Mr. Rogers like.

It's not the worst movie I've ever seen, and I would say Shyamalan is gifted. He needs to get the yes men away from him. He needs to quit being called "Genius" because that will ruin you faster than anything. It's like putting a handful of rat crap into glass of orange juice. What was once great becomes undrinkable and a nightmare.
 
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The Machinist said:
What I can not forgive is one of the main points of Shyamalan's concept. If you got tired of the violence of city life and had the money and resources to create your own utopian society why the hell would you force everyone to live like its 1890 thereby denying yourselves of some of the essential advancements of human society in the 20th century. I'm talking primarily here about medicine and health care. Why put yourselves into a situation where you have to let children die from illness that you could have prevented if you had the right medication? And don't tell me it's because you are abiding the lifestyle of late 19th century farmlife. Last history book i checked there weren't mythical porcupine beasts roaming the Great Plains more than a hundred years ago. If they could convince children of these creatures why not the miracle of Penicilin? Sticking to an "oath" at the cost of the death of an innocent person is ludicrous and evil to me.
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I am able to lay this off to "crazy people do crazy things." I guess that's why we call them crazy. My take on the whole thing was that this group didn't have all their oars in the water. As far as the medical thing goes, there are religions (not to get into a religious debate, just using an example) today that DON'T believe in modern medicine but instead prefer to leave things in God's hands. For me this is a bit of a "plot hole" in their beliefs, but people believe what they believe, right or wrong.
 
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