Kill Bill vol2.

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KB2 was really good in places and typical in others. I am thankful that it had more good moments than bad. Master Pai Mei had me reminiscing about those Saturday afternoon Kung Fu flicks back in NYC when I wore a much younger man's clothing. I enjoyed the scene between Uma Thurman and Darryl Hannah ... some folks cringed but I got a rather good chuckle in me ole belt buckle. As far as being over the top ... the film is over the top and pure fantasy. Nonetheless ... an entertaining piece of fantasy (in my opinion). Worth seeing for matinee prices. Good Fortune.
 
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David

My favorite scenes were also the ENTOURAGE sequence! The best scenes were with Lucy Liu (especially the boardroom meeting). Not one of my favorite films unfortunatley; and this coming form someone who owns and loves all of QUENTINS films.

Ive never been a huge fan of KUNG FU fighting anyway. Fun at times, but too much of an 'okay' thing. I havent seen the 2nd yet but I understand its less FIGHTING?

Ill pass judgement on KILL BILL after I see part 2.
 
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[quote author=John Hudson link=board=movies;num=1082171201;start=15#21 date=05/15/04 at 13:12:38]The best scenes were with Lucy Liu (especially the boardroom meeting).   [/quote]

You know, I didn't like her at first (years ago; probably association with Ally McBeal which worked against her), but Lucy Liu pretty much steals every movie she's in, doesn't she?
 
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I totally agree. I never understood the Alley Mac phenomenon but LUCY kicks ass (and is kind of hot).
 
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KB2 is... Tarantinissimo !

The best scene, for me, is the coffin scene — the black screen, the sound of the earth falling on the wood, then on the earth, dimmer, dimmer, the engine of the car fading away, Uma's breath, the flashlight...

Thrilling.

This scene is the very essence of cinema to me : ultra high emotional density obtained through ultra light technicality — one static shot.

The El Paso church scene (when Uma and David talk at the front door) is a goddam motherfucking little leone-hitchcockian piece of legend.

Quentin takes a great care of his audience, respects it very much.

He's now a Jedi master of the 7th art.
 
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Talk about chills in that opening chapel scene when they pull away from inside the chapel to a big crane shot, and the four Viper Squad members step into frame....

Bang on Anartiste...that IS cinema!
 
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Yeah, but you want to hear something funny?

That scene was total improv.  They didn't plan it that way at all.

According to Bo (who played the preacher) they had a huge fight scene scheduled for that.  But they were running way behind schedule, and Tarantino was stuck as to what to do.  Eventually he figured out that they didn't need to show anything -- they'd just pull back with the crane.
 
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hahah yeah right!

Sounds like what happened with the ear scene in Reservoir Dogs...they shot footage of Mr. Blonde cutting off the cop's ear, but it looked so cheesey that they cut it in the end.

Though I guess you gotta judge the finished film itself, and pay less attention to the process it went through to get to where it was...Still though, that's kinda sad to hear :P
 
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vol 2 was just different
i loved it - especially the way tarantino plays with audiences' emotions and moods

vol 1 was just hay hay hay hay hay
 
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[quote author=Anartiste link=board=movies;num=1082171201;start=15#25 date=05/23/04 at 16:31:14]
The best scene, for me, is the coffin scene — the black screen, the sound of the earth falling on the wood, then on the earth, dimmer, dimmer, the engine of the car fading away, Uma's breath, the flashlight...

Thrilling.

This scene is the very essence of cinema to me : ultra high emotional density obtained through ultra light technicality — one static shot.[/quote]
I agree, that was a great scene.

Coincidentally, I've seen two other movies this summer that used the same technique, i.e., black screen w/audio only.

It was used really effectively in Fahrenheit 9/11. When Michael Moore switched to a black screen and only played the sounds of the jets crashing into the WTC, it seemed twice as powerful than if he had actually shown it all. The old Hollywood adage of never showing that which can be implied is so true; the imagination makes the moment so much more engaging.

Similarly, there's a great little indie film making its way through the circuit right now called Awful Normal. The film is about the director's (Celesta Davis) confrontation with a man who molested her when she was six years old. The man wouldn't confess with the video on, but did admit to what he did with the audio taping. The screen went black, and all you could hear was this SOB admitting his guilt. It was amazing, extremely emotional, and not scripted -- proof positive that some of the best moments in film are often unplanned.

And I agree with everything else you said. IMHO, KB1 + KB2 is a masterpiece. I wrote a film review for KB2 for our local film group. Maybe I'll post it.
 
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In case u havn't heard, Tarantino screen a single 4 hour edit at cannes last month, his 'original vision'.

Cant wait tio get this 1 volume edition on DVD (which there is sure to be). Personally I really disliked Vol 1 and, well, kinda missed Vol 2 in theaters. But I always knew that in a single 4 hour run, it'd be a faw superiour film.

here's to Miramax not ass *LOVING* us ever again and underestimaing the audience in favor of doubling their grosses. This is a trend which has alredy gone way to far Between KB and to a lesser extent the matrix movies (please do not respond with anything about the matrix, i dont wanna get into it). I will never pay twice to see one movie butchered again!
 
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KB... where to start...


Well, it's not the first movie I've been dragged to, nor forced to watch the dvd...

however... lets start this out in Chronological order (unlike our good friend Baby-faced Quentin)

KB V1:

The first film where i have ever fastwarded through the fight sequences, yes I understand that this is a "fantasy" movie that pokes fun of it self, but i found it not satirical nor whimsical or even witty, it was ... dare i say... garbage as far as the plot and fight sequences went.

The Anime sequence was cool, I must admit, but it seemed as if it was just in there "to be cool" like most of the movie, with QT refusing to cut down on scenes where you have 5 minutes of the characters walking into rooms or driving in cars in slomo cut to below average over the top Hispanic subcultural music, it was just... garbage

The Acting - Uma means horse in japanese... i think that speaks for itself... although Lucy Lui was great I thought she played the character very well, "HORSE" on the other hand, played a "silent angry cyborg" the whole movie almost as if she was wearing a mask made out of the skin of the dead... garbage

One good thing about this movie is that QT didn't make a major cameo... which made me smile

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KB V2

I saw this before seeing KB 1, I didn't want to see either of them however I was taken to it at a local movie theatre.

Lets begin

I don't remember much about this, for good reason. I tend to block traumatic images and sounds out of my head, it's just the way I am... heres what i do remember... garbage

More weak storyline "Oh she has a baby and bill has the baby in his custody, well, this is an interesting and original plot twist, I expect to be glued to my seat, for, I, the average american consumer have never seen such an interesting Idea. Dare I say it... QT is god... wow i will go write a rave review hyping this movie so more people go pay 2!!!! seperate tickets to go see one movie hahaha!"

Sorry got a little out of control there...

Moving on

Less action... I am thankful for this as the action in V1 was saddening and well... garbage

The anticlimatic ending is something I will remember as well... if you've seen it perhaps you too were a bit dissapointed by Uma pulling out the old "I have this secret weapon that nobody knows about"
I mean its about as original as batman pulling out a can of "anti rotation spray" when joker comes after him in his car, making the cars wheels stop spinning.

Thats all i can think of, so that leaves about 2 hours of movie left that I didn't mention... man that means the rest is too traumatic to recall...

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FUN FACTS - After I saw Kill bill 1 I ranted about how much i hated it for 11 days afterwards... it infuriated me... im not sure why... any ideas on this?

After seeing KB volume 2, in theaters, I actually vomited when i got home (seriously) because I was so disgusted that I had sat through it and that somebody had paid good money for me to see it as well

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Conclusion: Reservoir Dogs/Pulp Fiction to this? Maybe he IS a one trick pony...

Not to mention HERO the exact same plot as KB is what I have gathered from the trailer: A mans family is killed by a group of assassins, now he hunts them down for revenge 1 by 1!

Garbage, that's all I have to say
 
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[quote author=monte link=board=movies;num=1082171201;start=30#32 date=07/19/04 at 22:21:30]
FUN FACTS - After I saw Kill bill 1 I ranted about how much i hated it for 11 days afterwards... it infuriated me... im not sure why... any ideas on this?

After seeing KB volume 2, in theaters, I actually vomited when i got home (seriously) because I was so disgusted that I had sat through it and that somebody had paid good money for me to see it as well
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Me thinks you take great pleasure in baiting people for an argument. :P

Either that, or you haven't learned that film is a subjective experience.

If you truly didn't like it, too bad for you, because it's always better to enjoy a movie than to not enjoy it.

Either way, the words "Kill Bill" and "masterpiece" have been used together in the same sentence many, many times. I doubt a film any of us makes will be so lucky. ;D
 
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lol, maybe I dont share ur views exactly, but yeah I can actually say a hated Vol 1 as well, didnt see 2

I thought the acting was really good all the way around. I thought "Horse" playe dthe part great, its just that the part sucked. Thats not her fualt.

Also, I loved the music! RZA is amazing.

Anyway, even though I hated it, i still felt im my fart that tarantino wouldnt do me wrong and that the Studio pressure made a perfectly good 4 hour film into 2 superflous halves.

Heres to hoping the 4 hour edit hits it right!
 
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yeah, regarding HERO most people didn't see, Tarantino PRESENTS in the theatre. some retarded dude shouted out, "Yo that's Tarantino's new movie!"
 then I rolled my eyes... and just watched KB2.

KB is a masterpiece.
 
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