Jim Jannard's final post and comments on REDuser

Purely thinking ahead, I believe the retirement timing in part is strategic as Red is likely to be handed some big losses
in the patent courts in favor of Sony, and Jim J. is likely a sore-loser and doesn't need the aggrevation...
he and his reputation certainly doesn't need that on his resume. Michael Jordan was also a sore-loser,
and had a brief stint as White Sox player while dust settled in his field, and he recovered pretty well...

What is plain simple, is Red got "there" first due to Jannard. By "there", I mean the Red Epic Dragon and
Redcode RAW is the Camera and Codec everyone in the industry is currently chasing "pound for pound", and the
legalities of who patented what and how those licensing agreements will eventually pan out is enough
to drive any CEO to an early retirement and would be a leech on one's creativity.

I have little faith in the courts to hold up Red's claims against Sony, justified or not.
The electronics industry needs more visionaries like Jannard who are driven to innovate,
as that gets you cameras like the Dragon at 1/10th what Sony would have charged had Red not been there.

Everyone (us shooters) wins in the end for Red disrupting the game, but I suspect the
lawyers will win most from this battle short-term,
and once the dust finally settles hopefully we'll see some mutual licensing agreements
trickle out, hopefully to third parties as well...
 
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Love him....hate him......doesn't matter...... he changed the industry .

Everyones bank balances are better for it ...except the other manufacturers.
 
Gillvane said:
I like the images that come from Red cameras, but I was always skeptical about the modular approach and I am still not sold on it. In some cases obselence is the way to go rather than trying so hard to reuse everything for as long as possible. It creates a larger than necessary upfront cost to make everything modular and the appeal of upgrading is less and less as time goes by and newer models are available.
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I agree with you about the Modular design, but that's a completely separate issue from the Obsolescence Obsolete policy. The latter is about sending your camera in for a new sensor when it's available, rather than throwing it in the trash and buying a whole new camera. You don't need a Modular design to do that.
 
Stephen Mick said:
I can't think of a more capable human being to take over for Jim than Jarred.

And while Jim has many "critics," no single person has done more to advance digital cinema, and to bring the technology to the masses, than Jim Jannard. His vision changed an industry.
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I was gonna post something pithy but then SM stole my thunder so I'll just +1 this.
 
Don't worry, I'm sure "he'll be back"

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" I read on CML and other idiotic forums, that I an a hypester, a scam artist. " what is the "CML" forum he's reffering to?
 
My guess: he's already got his "we did it" reward.

So far I can't find fault with the Dragon sensor, it seems to tick all boxes, including the non-measurable ones. The RED ONE had a lot going for it, but was far from perfect; the EPIC improved on that, now DRAGON has all you could ask for (except the price). (if you ask me: ONE had sensor size and resolution, and codec; EPIC brought fps and form factor; constant color science updates brought, well, color; and now DRAGON brings the DR). He knows the camera better than anyone outside RED, and is probably confident that any competitor above $30K is about to find itself in a very tough spot.

Apart from actually building and selling the cameras, what's left to do? They could go for a lower price bracket than SCARLET, but they already tried that with the "3K for $3K" and found they wouldn't be happy with anything close to that.

So, his job is done.

Plus, with all his millions he surely has better things to do than spend his time arguing with people like me on internet forums. Easier said than done, but I could see that point :)

I will not miss the ultra-macho attitude, or the resolution fetish (does he really think it was resolution that made the RED ONE successful? I would say it was sensor size and price), but I have to tip my hat to him and say "congrats, you did something really great here".
 
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Lee Saxon said:
I agree with you about the Modular design, but that's a completely separate issue from the Obsolescence Obsolete policy. The latter is about sending your camera in for a new sensor when it's available, rather than throwing it in the trash and buying a whole new camera. You don't need a Modular design to do that.
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Point well taken. Nothing wrong with upgrading sensors. I'd prefer a packaged, everything is there and works approach, rather than the modular design which I think just increases cost without adding that much value.
 
combatentropy said:
What about global shutter? Hey, Jim! Come back!
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The Red motion mount. Didn't you read about it? Red bought the tessive time filter tech and made a mount replacement with the filter built in, you do lose a bit of light sensitivity, but it seems that Red has accepted this as their solution for rolling shutter for the near future.
 
Kolor-Pikker said:
The Red motion mount. Didn't you read about it? Red bought the tessive time filter tech and made a mount replacement with the filter built in, you do lose a bit of light sensitivity, but it seems that Red has accepted this as their solution for rolling shutter for the near future.
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Isn't this what Alexa is doing/planning?

Ah, what's another law suit.
 
starcentral said:
Isn't this what Alexa is doing/planning?

Ah, what's another law suit.
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The Alexa studio model already has a mechanical global shutter. But with the readout speed of the ALEXA's sensor to begin with is a little faster then the MX sensor. According to Jim, the dragon read out is twice as fast as the current MX sensor. So the motion mount will be most useful for ext. shooting for the most part.
 
Geoff Boyle responds in the comments here: http://www.televisual.com/news-detail/Jim-Jannard-resigns-as-CEO-of-camera-maker-Red-_nid-3144.html

It's storm in a teacup, CML has been around for 17 years now and tests cameras, and film stock when that was relevant, in a simple and repeatable way. The original RAW files are published as well so that people can check the methodology if they disagree.

This has caused problems over the years and has upset a number of companies from Kodak to Sony.


JJ seems to expect unconditional love at all times, not going to happen. Nor is it for any other camera company.


He gets upset and emails me, it got too much this time and I reposted part of a message he sent directly to me, that provoked the "post this you cunt" message from him, I did post this as he asked...


There was a misunderstanding in 2006 which I though was long behind us, JJ was sweetness and light to me at NAB this year. Then he drags it up again...


He also dragged Art Adams into it in his "final" post on Reduser, Arts only offence has been to ask questions.


It will die down, some Red fanboys have joined CML and are trying to stir it up, they won't succeed.


OK, that's the end of the "official statement" I, like many people in this business, have been on the receiving end of abusive posts from JJ on a fairly regular basis. Anyone who doesn't post uncritical love of RED gets them. It got too much for me and I responded publicly.


Just for the record, I never called him a scam artist, I made this clear to him at NAB 2006 but he continues to say that I did without a shred of proof, it suits his marketing approach as the outsider when in reality he's a multi billionaire who is used to getting his own way.


What really happened is that I heard about a guy starting up a camera company on the basis of "give me a $1,000 now and I'll give you a camera in
9 months" I didn't know any more than that and I said it sounded like a great way to make money, take the deposit and fold the company a few months later, cool scam.


I then found out who was behind it and realised it wasn't a scam. I bumped into JJ at NAB 2006 telling a bunch of people that this guy had called him a scam artist on the net, I went up and introduced myself and explained exactly what I had said to everyone present. I had never called JJ a scam artist at any time.


I also said he wouldn't deliver by November, he couldn't in a business renowned for late deliveries, he took offence at this at said that I was disrespecting him and that he always kept his word, I said it wasn’t a case of his word it was other suppliers. There was a bet at that time, he didn't deliver anywhere near the November date.


He's got to stop trying to tell everyone that he's a tiny outsider, he's a billionaire major camera manufacturer and Hollywood Studio owner.
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