Is Sony Vegas discontinued?

A LUT is a reference tool rather than an actual color-grading tool. It's arguably more useful on set than in post.
 
ceejay7777 said:
I have a theory about Vegas users (I'm one of them) ... whereas other NLEs follow the user interface pioneered by Avid as a means of moving from a film paradigm, Vegas started out as an audio editor and those who come from that background find that its way of doing things suits what they are used to. On a Vegas forum recently someone suggested that FCPX is more like Vegas than other NLEs so maybe more non-Mac people might give it a shot!
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Inhabe zilch background in audio, yet I still reckon it is easier to use than most.
 
Actually, a LUT is very useful in post. I'll toss a LUT onto an adjustment layer or track while I edit to either correct for LOG footage or to better see a final shot as I cut. When I go to grade, of course I don't use it then, but it sure makes editing nicer.
 
Sure, it can be useful in post; I didn't say it couldn't be. But as you say, you don't use it for actual grading, and what you're using it for is more or less the reason you'd use it on set.
 
Ian Stark said:
I use 10-bit DNxHD footage from a Samurai Blade perfectly well in Vegas every day;
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You said you use DNxHD footage every day. What do you think of the following?:

I wonder why no one mentions that Sony Vegas, in principle, has problems handling DNxHD and ProRes. The problem is that Sony Vegas (10, 11 and apparently 12) is reliant on a 32bit (not 64bit) based plug-in FileIOSurrogate.exe. If you have a longer project with many clips, the FileIOSurrogate process eats up memory and crashes your system. The problem is known for many years but apparently is not addressed by Sony Vegas. This makes Sony Vegas almost unusable for round trips to other programs relying on DNxHD or ProRes for longer projects.

In my case, I have a film that is 30 min long and the average cut is 5 sec, so I ended up with 360 DNxHD clips that I had to send for color corrections. The problem is that I can not even import back that many DNxHD clips in a Sony Vegas 11 (built 701) project. It always crashes. I experimented with shorter projects and in my case the limit is around 150 clips before the crashes start to occur. Apparently, Sony Vegas likes MP4, AVCHD, and MPEG-2 but QuickTime ProRes or DNxHD are pushed through the bottleneck of FileIOSurrogate that makes this NLE system unusable for projects longer than 15 min. (By the way, I tried different versions of QT from 7.7.1 to 7.7.5 with the same results).
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Source: http://johnrofrano.com/training/video-tutorials/avid-dnxhd-template-for-vegas-pro/
 
All I can say is I have never encountered these issues!

It raises several questions:

1. Does he mean clips on the timeline, or media clips? If the former then I am pretty sure I have had hundreds of timeline clips, cut from a smaller number of media clips, at the same time.
2. If he means media clips, then the most I have ever had in a single project will probably be around 100 (in DNxHD format, that is - I often have many hundreds of media assets of varying formats).
3. I note he is using Vegas 11. I am using 13 and have been ever since I started using DNxHD. Whether that makes a difference or not I can't say.
4. 'Unsuitable for projects longer than 15 minutes'? Not accurate. I have just delivered some (rather boring) training videos to IBM, the shortest of which is 35 minutes, the longest of which is 95 minutes!

Now, I may well be a lucky exception to the norm, so I'm not suggesting people aren't experiencing these issues. All I can say is I'm not one of them. Interestingly, later this year I will start work on a series of 30 minute sitcoms. That will mean many, many clips on the timeline! I'll let you know if I encounter any problems.
 
Thanks for your comments. Glad you are not encountering these problems. I will give a try to DNxHD.

Ian Stark said:
All I can say is I have never encountered these issues!

It raises several questions:

1. Does he mean clips on the timeline, or media clips? If the former then I am pretty sure I have had hundreds of timeline clips, cut from a smaller number of media clips, at the same time.
2. If he means media clips, then the most I have ever had in a single project will probably be around 100 (in DNxHD format, that is - I often have many hundreds of media assets of varying formats).
3. I note he is using Vegas 11. I am using 13 and have been ever since I started using DNxHD. Whether that makes a difference or not I can't say.
4. 'Unsuitable for projects longer than 15 minutes'? Not accurate. I have just delivered some (rather boring) training videos to IBM, the shortest of which is 35 minutes, the longest of which is 95 minutes!

Now, I may well be a lucky exception to the norm, so I'm not suggesting people aren't experiencing these issues. All I can say is I'm not one of them. Interestingly, later this year I will start work on a series of 30 minute sitcoms. That will mean many, many clips on the timeline! I'll let you know if I encounter any problems.
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