Is $10,000 indie feature possible ?

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I don't know about all that. But I just watched your trailer and Gotdamn I miss my MPC2000!

It's possible...however, don't do it if you don't think you'll be able to compete with the 100K - 300K range films in terms of production quality as it sure won't garner much attention to your writing.

I began producing and directing films in order to create a career for myself as a screenwriter and the good news is it worked (I get work as a writer and have sold scripts, etc. but still have miles to go). Still most people in my area look at me as a Producer since I do now take gigs as one, my main goal is to still be a successful screenwriter.

However, for your writing ability to be properly evaluated, the film from your screenplay must be adequately presented with competent production value and performances. Otherwise, nobody will "see through" bad quality to your script.

I know from experience, anything amatuer about a project paints the entire project as amatuer. Bad sound, bad lighting, etc...easily invites critics to going further and criticizing the writing & acting (mostly if they were being honest, unfairly, in my opinion). Believe me, there's nothing worse than seeing someone trash a project you wrote because of terrible CGI and other technical issues that devolves into comments about hack writing and bad acting.

Therefore, from the outset, I caution you NOT to attempt it if you don't have the skill-set to pull it off very well. Especially if it's meant to be a showcase for you as a writer.

However, that said...yes, it can be done.

There's a ton of caveats though. The script DOES determine the budget. How many pages to shoot? How many locations to secure? How many actors to cast? How many stunts? How many props? All of it CAN translate to costs.

For instance, the food budgets being discussed here in this thread are not even CLOSE to the money we spent just on food for our recent Micro-Budget Feature film "Battle" (www.battle-movie.com check the trailer). Why? We hoped that having a bare-bones guerilla crew would help us out in that department ('cuz grips can eat), but we had a large cast (and extras eat too, and we don't treat 'em like 2nd class citizens on a set like the bigger shows do since we don't pay our extras) which were fed decently despite our miserly ways. So, the people talking 2K for catering and craft services for a FEATURE must be really cheap suckas :)

Some pay goes a long way. Again, we don't want to see a film that looks like 10K...it can cost that but don't let it look like 10K. And some key paychecks can upgrade your production value exponentially. So, find out who can do it and get them to sign on for a small token and some back-end.

Actors...be sure they're the best you can get...keep looking until you've got the right ones for all the roles. Don't cast on look, cast on talent (and charisma)...and again, you may need to give a little here too.

So, you see where this leads. More money, and it adds up quickly.

The best place to begin though goes back to the script. Is it shootable on a bare bones budget? If so, you've got a shot at it.

Do you have the knowledge to properly break down the script and schedule it accurately?

Don't get caught in the classic two scenarios.

1) The money goes THIS FAR...5 weekend shoots, 3 days each...and your script really needs 7 weekends, the last 2 can be 2 days each. You end up cutting things you wanted (and NEEDED) to shoot just to make it through the shoot in the finite time you have available. So your editor tries valiantly to piece a puzzle together without all the parts.

2) You shoot and shoot and shoot...run out of money...put it on hold to get more money, then shoot and shoot and shoot...each delay increasing the chances that something goes wrong with personnell not to mention the continuity is severely compromised, etc. Projects like this usually last way longer than the enthusiasm for them does.

So, keep evaluating it and be honest with yourself about the prospects.

Good luck,

Martin
 
Script not an issue, I would write that. Already have written 3 feature screenplays, writing fourth now.

The question is moot without a script. A feature is possible for mere pennies in all practical terms. The budget coming down to the script, resources and favors one can pull.
 
The key is to write the script around things you know you can get access to for cheap/free. This means locations, props, actors.. anything really. Save your budget for the things that cannot be gotten for cheap/free. Experienced actors, Craft Services, and props that you can't get any other way.

Craft Services can also be cheap if you play your cards right..

For example..

For our production..

Day 1, Night shoot. Crackers/Chili Feeds a ton, and is fairly cheap.
Day 2, Day shoot. Spaghetti again, feeds a ton and is fairly inexpensive to make
Day 3, Day shoot. Pizza, large pizzas at 4 bucks a pop. I've done other stuff with the pizza place before..

We'll get the assistance of some local folks, family to donate side dishes for the above items. Breads, Potato Salad, Deserts, stuff like that. And, if you can connect with the right people, plenty of mom and pop restaurants will donate food sometimes.
 
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The key is to write the script around things you know you can get access to for cheap/free. This means locations, props, actors.. anything really. Save your budget for the things that cannot be gotten for cheap/free. Experienced actors, Craft Services, and props that you can't get any other way.

Craft Services can also be cheap if you play your cards right..

For example..

For our production..

Day 1, Night shoot. Crackers/Chili Feeds a ton, and is fairly cheap.
Day 2, Day shoot. Spaghetti again, feeds a ton and is fairly inexpensive to make
Day 3, Day shoot. Pizza, large pizzas at 4 bucks a pop. I've done other stuff with the pizza place before..

We'll get the assistance of some local folks, family to donate side dishes for the above items. Breads, Potato Salad, Deserts, stuff like that. And, if you can connect with the right people, plenty of mom and pop restaurants will donate food sometimes.

On non donated meals, do you let your crew order anything on the menu or try to set a limit?

When I did my first editing gig 2 years ago, I literally ate my director out of house and home. But he was cool with it since we got along and worked well together. :grin:
 
On non donated meals, do you let your crew order anything on the menu or try to set a limit?

When I did my first editing gig 2 years ago, I literally ate my director out of house and home. But he was cool with it since we got along and worked well together. :grin:

The menu is set, there really is nothing to order. Think of it like cafeteria style. You go down the line, and people will dip/serve the portions of the items you choose to ensure everyone gets a fair share.

I come from a Southern baptist church background, so I'm used to having potlucks and just letting people have at it. But, after working at a help desk and seeing just how disrespectful people can be when it comes to food, I've learned that you cannot trust people to know when enough is enough.

I brought 3 dozen deviled eggs to a company potluck one time, and I was the 4th person in line. And, all 3 dozen eggs were gone before I got to them.

Besides having people do that will make the process quicker so we can get back to what we are there for, which is film making.
 
Script not an issue, I would write that. Already have written 3 feature screenplays, writing fourth now.

But it is the issue.

Does the film take place between a small handful of characters in a one location like a diner ?

or

Is it a cast of thousands on the edge of space ?
 
The vegetarian talk is funny....living in Boston, every other person I know is a vegetarian so it's just intrinsic to the feeding process, veggies/vegans are good people with more will power than I will ever have...just imagine the will power it takes not to eat bacon...and most veggies have had it before and love it, yet they make a decision every time they have a meal not to partake...that's serious commitment to something they believe in and is not something to be made fun of.
 
Listen to Martay, as he's the one talking sensibly in this thread.

Basically my answer is: don't do it. If you have $10k cash then partner up with somebody who can bring in another $10k worth of gear (an aspiring DP with camera and lights) then $10k worth of resources (aspiring producer) and then with $30k you actually have something going.
 
The vegetarian talk is pretty sad. All you have to do is ask where ever you're getting your food from for a few veggie plates. Done. Not hard.

But short answer, yes. Long but real answer, no.
 
The trick to making a GOOD movie on a $10,000 budget is to NOT pay for as much as possible.

With "Afterlife", we had lots of locations -- a rich man's house, a country club party, hell itself, a hospital room, a cemetery with gravestone, a corporate office, a nightclub, a psychiatrist's office, a nice apartment, and probably a few others I'm forgetting. We paid for none of them. Even got a custom-engraved gravestone -- delivered, setup, then hauled away -- for free.

Don't buy camera, lights and sound gear -- get a DP, sound and lighting people who own their own gear. Save your money.

As others have said, having a truly great script is the key to everything. Not a good script -- a GREAT one. If you have a great script, people will come out of the woodwork and bend over backwards to help you.

Barter whatever you can. For food, eat cheaply but feed them well. You can cook a pot of chili or spaghetti, or make a bunch of sandwiches, far cheaper than you can pay a caterer to provide it.

Don't look for things to cut out of your production to save money -- look for ways to obtain those things for free or cheap. Face it, you could make "Star Wars" for $10,000 if everyone worked for deferred pay, including your digital effects folks, and you were able to barter for everything you needed.
 
You certainly are right on regarding access. I looked about a dozen short scripts another writer was looking to have produced, thought maybe if he had one I liked I might film it for learning filmmaking beyond what I know. None of the scripts was doable, because the stories all called for locations I could not access, or that would require leviathan scissors to cut through red tape. When I make an indie feature, I want the film to be a very small cast, one location.

I saw this one indie, Canadian production, forget the title (anybody know?) where these two teenagers squeegee the windshield of a woman stopped at a traffic light. They hop in her car, kidnap her away to a lake cabin. 99% of the film is the three of them at a lake cabin. Genius, pure genius as far as indie production goes. The film was actually damn good. Imagine how cheap that could be made not counting the cost of the talent and such. Easy available cheap location.


The key is to write the script around things you know you can get access to for cheap/free. This means locations, props, actors.. anything really. Save your budget for the things that cannot be gotten for cheap/free. Experienced actors, Craft Services, and props that you can't get any other way. ....
 
Well said. I will not make an indie until I have a great script. Thus my focus on screenwriting, and making a short or two every year to learn film production. And brainstorming indie story ideas to find the one that will have a great story, easy location access, ideally one location, very small cast.
 
Yep.

The trick is to write a script that can be filmed BY YOU for next to nothing, but looks like it cost a lot more.

It's not just money that makes the top films look great. It's everything.

Composition, lighting, set design, the shot selection, make-up, colouring and a million other things. However, it's not necessarily money that makes these things sing, it's the skill in using them.

Prepare shots lovingly and give yourself the time to get them right.

The images delivered from even prosumer cameras with quality lighting and set design, and some tweaking in post are more than good enough for audiences to enjoy. They might not be enough for traditional distribution, but even that's not necessrily true.

I'm a big believer in the eternal triangle of filmmaking. Money, Time and Quality.

If you have lots of money you can do things quickly without losing quality. If you hav no money, you need more time to maiantain quality. Not time, no money, your quality is going to be low.

In some ways a zero budget is a much bigger budget than say £150,000 that you could get from something like the UK Film Council for their low budget schemes.

They have to pay everyone, you can collaborate.

Their ethos is pretty much that a film can only be made in one location for that amount. They had 200 applications for their last low budge tcall out and the head of the scheme said they had four proposals that they considered even POSSIBLE for that money. He said that one location where the film is set downstairs and everyone can sleep upstairs is ideal.

You don't have to be limited to any of that, despite having less money.

Spend all your money only on what is impossible to get for free and make sure almost all of it ends up on screen.

Because you can't spend money on set design, you pick locations that look great instantly.

That's why so many low-budget horror type things are set in woods. Stick one big light up and you have a set that looks great straight away.
 
A related question (followup to my original post)-- how important is the genre for a successful $10,000 indie feature? (successful is a bit nebulous term perhaps, basically what I mean by that is a product that garners attention, hopefully makes the money back through a sale to Netflix or other distribution although recouping the cost is not critical, but I want the product to be watchable) I have heard horror is the genre to produce for an indie feature. What about other genres -- supernatural horror/thriller? romcom? drama?

With a budget of $10k, I am thinking I will have to stay clear of CGI right, unless I could find a CGI/VFX artist willing to work for free; just seems staying clear of CGI would make an indie production go so much easier compared to with CGI. But then on the other hand, CGI could give high production value. My favoraite genre to write is supernatural thriller-horror (Dark Water, Uninvited, The Return [Sarah Michelle Gellar], What Lies Beneath; perhaps CGI is not needed even for that genre? A recent DVD release supernatural thriller that I really liked and which imho was genius in not really using much noticable CGI was The Uninvited.
 
just write it with the budget in mind and shoot it.

Agreed. When I directed a small $15K feature 6 years ago, that's what I did. I knew what I had and wrote a story around that, so that the story would make since and the audience wouldn't feel that they should see "more".
 
The vegetarian talk is pretty sad. All you have to do is ask where ever you're getting your food from for a few veggie plates. Done. Not hard.

But short answer, yes. Long but real answer, no.

KFC doesn't really have a veggie plate...not one I'd serve up as a meal :) But Chicken and Biscuits for a non-Veggie person does a fine meal make.

-M
 
Listen to Martay, as he's the one talking sensibly in this thread.

Basically my answer is: don't do it. If you have $10k cash then partner up with somebody who can bring in another $10k worth of gear (an aspiring DP with camera and lights) then $10k worth of resources (aspiring producer) and then with $30k you actually have something going.

Patryk,

Definitely how to do it. Gathering as many resources as possible is the way to go in order to push the production value to the max.

BTW, Nice Music Video at your site...I dug it.

-M
 
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