Iron Man - director quote
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Luis Caffesse
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Interesting quote.
Is that from an interview?
Do you have a link for it?
Is that from an interview?
Do you have a link for it?
Michael Anthony Horrigan
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Luis Caffesse
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Cool.
Thanks for digging up that link.
Thanks for digging up that link.
Wrathborne
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Go Jon favreau.I look forward to his next Iron man film.
Tom Marshall
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Jon Favreau is so money and he doesn't even know it.
Capt Quirk
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Correction, some are listening. For the most part, the studios might read it, but then laugh at us for being stupid little cash cows not even worthy to breathe the same air, and do what they know for sure is in their best interest, not ours.
MattinSTL
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I think I'm needing something more in these super hero flicks... I wish they would get a little more gritty... like gritty gritty... fight club gritty. I'd love a super hero flick that really connects me with the action instead of using the disney filter.
Sorry... had to say it just in case they really are listening.
OK... still... saw Iron Man on Saturday and I really enjoyed it, but I am wondering why it seems like the original superman movie felt more real then all these modern hero flicks.
Sorry... had to say it just in case they really are listening.
OK... still... saw Iron Man on Saturday and I really enjoyed it, but I am wondering why it seems like the original superman movie felt more real then all these modern hero flicks.
Nektonic
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Holy Banannas Mattin !!!!!! I've been thinking the same thing the last few years. While I do enjoy some of the super hero movies, I agree that they need to diversify their overall vision. The only one that I think gets close to this is Batman Begins and by the looks of the trailer The Dark Knight.
I like the Fight Club reference, because if you really think about it, a real super hero would not have magical and mystical powers. They would need to be able to beat the crap out of the crooks or just use lots of firepower. Kinda like Bronson in the Death Wish flicks. Really they would just be vigilantes. Even Batman is a bit far-fetched to a degree due to the fact that he wears a costume that is not exactly subtle. Don't get me wrong, it works for that film, but is not how something like that would go down in the real world.
I guess The Punisher sort of did this. But being a fan of the Punisher comics, the film just didn't work for me.
I think a cool but completely believable super hero film would have to be something like a cross between Jason Bourne and the troubled and depressed character played by Bruce Willis in Unbreakable -- with Mattin's idea of Fight Club grittiness. To be effective, a real super hero / vigilante would need to be stealthy, discrete, and not hesitant to act, even if it means killing or injuring a criminal.
Iron Man does look good though.
I like the Fight Club reference, because if you really think about it, a real super hero would not have magical and mystical powers. They would need to be able to beat the crap out of the crooks or just use lots of firepower. Kinda like Bronson in the Death Wish flicks. Really they would just be vigilantes. Even Batman is a bit far-fetched to a degree due to the fact that he wears a costume that is not exactly subtle. Don't get me wrong, it works for that film, but is not how something like that would go down in the real world.
I guess The Punisher sort of did this. But being a fan of the Punisher comics, the film just didn't work for me.
I think a cool but completely believable super hero film would have to be something like a cross between Jason Bourne and the troubled and depressed character played by Bruce Willis in Unbreakable -- with Mattin's idea of Fight Club grittiness. To be effective, a real super hero / vigilante would need to be stealthy, discrete, and not hesitant to act, even if it means killing or injuring a criminal.
Iron Man does look good though.
You're defining a Hero, not a Super Hero. By definition, a SUPER Hero would have to have some sort of mystical ability or ability beyond that of a normal human being. Batman just barely crosses the line to become a Super Hero.
That said, you could still do a down-home-grown Super Hero story.
That said, you could still do a down-home-grown Super Hero story.
Capt Quirk
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I think my favorite Director's quote, is about Stan Lee's cameo. Favreu realized that Lee isn't an actor, so gave him a simple part with 3 beautiful women on his arms and no lines. Favreu walks by and asks Lee "Who's your favorite Director?" Lee says "You are Jon!"
Ok, so it's more of an anecdote than a quote. So sue me
Ok, so it's more of an anecdote than a quote. So sue me
bill totolo
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I have an idea for a hero movie: "Thor"! He's not a hero, he's a GOD.
Zak Forsman
Major Contributor
already in the works. matthew vaughn attached to direct.
Character development and limitations...
The reason I like the Spiderman movies is because Peter Parker is properly developed as a flawed character. He also has limits, and he makes mistakes.
The biggest issue with any movie is balancing the budget against the target demographic. Superhero movies are for children; without the youth demographic you couldn't justify the tens of millions of dollars required to make the film. Make it gritty and violent and parents won't take their kids to see the film.
I caught the Saturday matinée of Iron Man, half the theater were parents with young kids in tow. As an aside, at the end of the escape sequence a little boy behind me asked "Is he dead?", which made me laugh because the last event of the sequence would not be survivable (three more events like that in the film BTW).
Your superhero must have limits of some kind. He or she must navigate those limits and almost fail. The more flaws and limits a superhero has the more entertaining the story can be. It has been pointed out that Batman is just on the verge of actually being a superhero, which is why he works as the protagonist of a story. There are so many ways he can fail.
The converse of this is how difficult it must be to write a truly compelling Superman story. I think Christopher Reeves made the first movies work because he made both Clark Kent / Superman appear to be uncomfortable in his own skin. That's more of an actor/director success than a story success.
Bob
The reason I like the Spiderman movies is because Peter Parker is properly developed as a flawed character. He also has limits, and he makes mistakes.
The biggest issue with any movie is balancing the budget against the target demographic. Superhero movies are for children; without the youth demographic you couldn't justify the tens of millions of dollars required to make the film. Make it gritty and violent and parents won't take their kids to see the film.
I caught the Saturday matinée of Iron Man, half the theater were parents with young kids in tow. As an aside, at the end of the escape sequence a little boy behind me asked "Is he dead?", which made me laugh because the last event of the sequence would not be survivable (three more events like that in the film BTW).
Your superhero must have limits of some kind. He or she must navigate those limits and almost fail. The more flaws and limits a superhero has the more entertaining the story can be. It has been pointed out that Batman is just on the verge of actually being a superhero, which is why he works as the protagonist of a story. There are so many ways he can fail.
The converse of this is how difficult it must be to write a truly compelling Superman story. I think Christopher Reeves made the first movies work because he made both Clark Kent / Superman appear to be uncomfortable in his own skin. That's more of an actor/director success than a story success.
Bob
Grug
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Bob, I think you hit the nail on the head, that's why I couldn't connect with the Iron Man movie that just came out. Yes it's a fun, well-made film, but I can guarantee that i'll have forgotten it entirely within a few months - I had nothing to form a connection with the Tony Stark character.
By comparison the first two Spiderman movies, Batman Begins, and the Wolverine-sections of the first two X-Men movies have all stuck with me strongly.
At the same time though, I think 300 made it very clear that you can make hard R-rated comic-book movies and still make stupid money from them. You just have to make the movie kick-arse!
By comparison the first two Spiderman movies, Batman Begins, and the Wolverine-sections of the first two X-Men movies have all stuck with me strongly.
At the same time though, I think 300 made it very clear that you can make hard R-rated comic-book movies and still make stupid money from them. You just have to make the movie kick-arse!
Capt Quirk
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Grug, you would probably like Spawn the Animated Series. I first caught it when it was on HBO several years ago, and now own 2 out of 3 of the DVDs. Totally darker and dirtier than the live action movie, and totally inappropriate for kids.
spidey
Shogun Assassin
Thats a good tagline....
You could use hat for superman too. I hate superman because he is perfect... im surprise the movies still use kryptonite he hasn't been affected by that since the 1970's Then recently in the 2000's He took a bath in the yellow sun and now he can go through time and is unstoppable. I hate superman.
Grug
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Thanks for the suggestion Capt. I'll look into it. And Spidey, it's an interesting concept the God-hero - I also hate Superman, can't think of less interesting hero, but my best mate loves Superman above all other hero characters...
So it's horses for courses, I guess some people aspire to be perfect and others (like ourselves) are happy to be flawed - so long as we're right, and can kick-arse.
So it's horses for courses, I guess some people aspire to be perfect and others (like ourselves) are happy to be flawed - so long as we're right, and can kick-arse.