Inventors and ideas for progress

+1. I've asked for this, too, basically, when I asked for a Design section. People like to talk about what is possible, not just what is. Since there is no Design section, discussion inevitably collects around News. For the purist, the news section should have just news. But what it often has is "What I Wish Was News." This comes because there is a hunger to talk about Design but no designated section for it on this web site.
 
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Well, just because no one else has responded to this thread doesn't mean they don't want it. The abundance of threads about future cameras is proof enough. The top thread in the News section right now is What I want from NAB 2012. Again, people aren't talking about what's out but what they want to be out.

Now, you might say, people always want more, and such threads are just spoiled brats whining. But what I think you and I are talking about is a section not just to say "I want this" but to talk about the pros and cons of each design decision. For example, "You want 12K but also RAW recording. Currently there is no media that can handle that bit rate. What would be your solution?" Or "You want an S35 sensor and a 12-120 lens. But such a lens will be too big for handheld work. But two lenses, 12-36 and 40-120 are certainly doable. Could you modify your style so that you can switch between them? Or shoot with two cameras?" Stuff like that.

My goal for such a section is to build consensus around realistic design decisions. Then, possibly someone could build such a camera. Or we could suggest designs to the camera companies. I know that RED hears feedback, and Panasonic has listened specifically here on DVXUser.
 
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I'd love to talk design. Post most of my stuff in the DIY section, but there isn't a big response there either these days.
 
ZazaCast said:
I'd love to talk design. Post most of my stuff in the DIY section, but there isn't a big response there either these days.
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I will have to go check that out. I've ignored the DIY section because it sounds so 'duck tape and ply-wood'. DIY (in my mind) is generally a quick fix and lacks the elegance of full solutions. DVX is generally a filmmaker and camera consumer forum, so we may just have to find a forum that goes more in depth with tech and design.

I haven't found a forum that strikes a good balance between techy and real-world-practicality for film innovation. Though it seems there are quite a few people on dvxuser that are both techy and have gobs of real-world-experience. So, I was surprised to not see much response to a new section for innovative ideas. And there are definitely nuggets of info out there, but takes a lot of wading through consumer driven topics.

There are many great minds on this forum!
 
James0b57 said:
yup, we're the only ones.
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No, you are not.

First of all, I come up with a lot of solutions for myself, cause I ether don´t like what´s on the market or it´s obscene expensive.
Second, I always try to be on the "beading edge" of film/video technology and beyond, just because I´m very interested in those things.

Frank
 
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No, you are not.

First of all, I come up with a lot of solutions for myself, cause I ether don´t like what´s on the market or it´s obscene expensive.
Second, I always try to be on the "beading edge" of film/video technology and beyond, just because I´m very interested in those things.

Frank
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I've appreciated and noticed your contributions to this forum! You've enriched my knowledge on many occasion. Thank you!
 
combatentropy said:
+1. I've asked for this, too, basically, when I asked for a Design section. People like to talk about what is possible, not just what is. Since there is no Design section, discussion inevitably collects around News. For the purist, the news section should have just news. But what it often has is "What I Wish Was News." This comes because there is a hunger to talk about Design but no designated section for it on this web site.
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I'm with you on this, and I'm a purist. So for the sake of keeping the news section strictly for news-like discussion... +1
 
combatentropy said:
Well, just because no one else has responded to this thread doesn't mean they don't want it. The abundance of threads about future cameras is proof enough. The top thread in the News section right now is What I want from NAB 2012. Again, people aren't talking about what's out but what they want to be out.

Now, you might say, people always want more, and such threads are just spoiled brats whining. But what I think you and I are talking about is a section not just to say "I want this" but to talk about the pros and cons of each design decision. For example, "You want 12K but also RAW recording. Currently there is no media that can handle that bit rate. What would be your solution?" Or "You want an S35 sensor and a 12-120 lens. But such a lens will be too big for handheld work. But two lenses, 12-36 and 40-120 are certainly doable. Could you modify your style so that you can switch between them? Or shoot with two cameras?" Stuff like that.

My goal for such a section is to build consensus around realistic design decisions. Then, possibly someone could build such a camera. Or we could suggest designs to the camera companies. I know that RED hears feedback, and Panasonic has listened specifically here on DVXUser.
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Well voiced, thanks for the re-edit. +1
 
James0b57 said:
Can we get a section where users talk about innovating?
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I vote yes if i can be inducted as the expert on IP :) , PTO and Prior Art 'search'.
Every forum needs an Innovations subcategory as part of its taxonomy.
Innovations are often discussed on forums, but in a badly disorganized way. I would help you folks ensure that your inventions are protected because.....
THE MINUTE YOU SPIT THEM OUT IN PUBLIC...YOU HAVE DONATED THEM to the public.
There is a way to share in project 'rooms' without losing track of who suggested what.
You can't imagine the lo$$e$ that I and others have suffered before I discovered that fact alone.
If you need help structuring the new thread, I can help with logistics on that too.
 
Zephyrnoid said:
I would help you folks ensure that your inventions are protected because.....
THE MINUTE YOU SPIT THEM OUT IN PUBLIC...YOU HAVE DONATED THEM to the public.
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That's exactly what I want to do. I want a camera maker to use our suggestions. My payment is a better camera in my hands.

I didn't want to make this complicated. I pictured a place for what we're already doing in the News section: discussing the pros and cons of different designs. 2K, 2.5K, 3K, or 4K? Shoulder-mount or handheld? RAW or compressed? 4:2:2 or 4:4:4? CF or SD or SSD?

Patents, in fact, are a sore spot with me. I've seen them only stifle innovation.
 
combatentropy said:
That's exactly what I want to do. I want a camera maker to use our suggestions.

Patents, in fact, are a sore spot with me. I've seen them only stifle innovation.
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Well. On the first part. You can bet they will 'use your suggestions', either directly or via a third party. But trust me when i say it hurts YOU in the long run. Numerous manufacturers of LED camera lights have already profited handsomely from my LED Color Blending White paper which I stupidly posted for commentary on a flashlight forum years ago and lacking a Provisional Application at PTO... I rekon I've lost $millions already and do not have the time to beat up PTO for it. I always have something better up my sleeve but honestly , if YOU invent it, why not profit from it?
How do Patents stifle innovation? If it's an authentic innovation, a patent earns a return to the inventor(s). Now if you want to just title your new thread, batting ideas around without checking prior art, go ahead. But that would be totally different and is what 99% of chat forums are . Just don't complain when Canon or Nikon take your donations and make Billions off of them ;)
Oh and here's one of mine that's in review at PTO now - Portadolly XLDL. Not for the use of the Igus as a dolly (Zaza really has that prior invention), but for the double tiers variable direction use for compact 'wrap around' effect. A new use patent as we term them.
PortaDolly_1.jpg

http://youtu.be/4D_xGqSshXc
http://youtu.be/N1_cKMvvEZk

Anyway, do let me know if you guys need any PTO work. Search, Applications, Drawings or Prototyping .
 
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There is the DIY section. http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/forumdisplay.php?47-DIY-Gear

But if you plan on selling it here, you need to look at the Forum Rules. DVXUser is an awesome place, but if you want to hawk your wares and inventions here for profit, you need to become a sponsor of the site.

It's only fair, if you make money from this site (and have access to the membership by way of posting stuff you are selling commercially) you should share the wealth and help maintain the site financially.

If this something of interest to you.......contact Jason Ramsey (Admin) via pm.
 
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You guys basically saying you want some kind of "product suggestions/wishlist for Vendors" section where you can basically post wishlists for cameras or other accessory products, etc for vendors to see that you would like made available? Or, we talking more along the DIY line of things, discussing the actual designing of products, etc?
 
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