Indies and Weapons.

Doc Bernard

Indie Arms Member
I have been thinking long and hard about this, and my decision is to go ahead and post this in the interest of the common good and in the true spirit of Indie production.

Firearms, props or otherwise, and the indies have had a strange relationship over the years. Every year, we hear of incidents involving Independent film-making and the use of weapons. Just recently, UC Irvine Campus was on lock-down because an individual was seen in military fatigues and carrying what appear to be a military weapon. When the dust settled, it was found out to be a student film involving airsofts. Thousands of dollars were expended on the part of the police investigating the incident, public exposure by the media covering the incident made the UC Irvine administration cringe, and the reputation and physical health of the involved parties placed in jeopardy. Why, you ask? Because a student film failed to notify the appropriate authorities and obtain the necessary permits. On the face of it, one could say no harm, no foul. But let's look a little deeper into the what if's. What if the police had confronted the individual student carrying the weapon, and in the confusion, they (the actor) made the wrong move. Remember, these situations are very easily misconstrued. A student could of been killed by the police, and on the part of the cops, it would of been a justified shooting, as many of the props out there are very real looking. We strive for realism in our film-making, and that is where we need to be the most careful.

As a set armorer/weapons handler/technical advisor, one of my first concerns is where will the film shoot take place? A closed set, such as WB, Pointe, Sunset/Gower, or any of the other commercial sets, gives me more of a sense of relief, as I know these are designated film sets and closed off to the public. But walking onto or hearing what many student films consider a "set" causes me a lot of concern when it comes to the use of weapons.

As a business owner who provides weapons on set and as a professional, I think it is appropriate, after reading what a few "film-makers" out there think is acceptable. I shudder to think what could happen on their sets. Other armorers out there, please feel free to add to or disagree with my methods. I want this to be an open discussion and dialogue, so as to prevent unnecessary incidents, injuries, and even deaths.

So what I am going to outline is my methods of handling weapons on set.

1. Permits. This is especially important on Non-Studio "sets". By pulling a permit in the affected city or township, it puts the authorities on notice that you are filming in their jurisdiction. A lot of problems can be overcome with this step before they even arise.

2. Notification and Education. Contact the local Law Enforcement in the area you plan to be filming with weapons. Ask their advice. Develop a relationship with them. These are the guys that will be called when someone from the public calls about the "terrorists" or "criminals" running around with guns. 9-11 wasn't that long ago and people still are scared.

3. Training. The actors on the set need to be kept under a tight leash when they have a weapon in their hands. One on one training with them on safety and handling is paramount. This is not only for the realism, but for them to realize these are not toys. How many times do you see actors playing around and wanting photos for their "books" of them holding a gun? As long as it is controlled, no prob, but let them start horsing around, big prob. Weapons will be pointed at people, and people will start freaking out. Rightfully so. Someone points a weapon at me without my knowledge or permission, things are going to get ugly fast. The last actor that did that ended up on his ass with me taking possession of the weapon and the actor was denied the use of a weapon on set. It is that serious. Stress the importance of adherence to the rules up front. I don't care what the actor thinks of themself, they could be Will Smith, John Travolta, or Matt Damon, they will be in for a surprise if they mishandle any weapons on my set.

4. Safety Briefings. Any time weapons are brought on set, a cast/crew safety briefing is held. No exceptions. Allow any person, crew or cast the opportunity to see the weapon and verify it's safety status. Inform everyone, if they see anyone touching the weapons unauthorized or being handled in an inappropriate manner, they are to inform the handler, the AD's, or the armorer immediately.

5. Remain on Set. Any time weapons are on set, a designated trained person is to be in place in order to wrangle and babysit the weapons. In between takes, physically take possession of the weapons, if cast takes a break or leaves the set. You are responsible for those weapons.

6. Never Point the Weapon at Someone! Even blank guns and airsofts. That is the nice thing about film, we can cheat the angles and make it look good, yet remain safe. Many times the angle I set up looks better on film, even though the weapon is not pointed at the actor.

7. Orange Tips: You must consult your local Law Enforcement regarding this. What may be acceptable in my area may not be legal in yours!!!!!!! Accepting what is posted on the Internet alone is a foolish move. I have to do things to my props in order to be allowed to remove the orange from mine, and I have a very intimate understanding of what is acceptable in my area and surrounding areas

7. When in Doubt, hire a competent and educated Armorer! No other explanation needed.

There are many more points and advice I could give on this subject, and I will as I think of them. But remember first and foremost, SAFETY!!!!!!!! A film is only good if everyone gets to see it and go home at the end. If you want to ask me questions in a private manner, please feel free to PM me.
 
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I really doubt anyone's going to disagree with this, even the people who get into tough situations should be well aware that they decided to move forward without doing what they should have. If they weren't they quickly became aware and the example stands for others. Although it can be very hard to find information on local laws; I can't just ask local law enforcement, I've tried that before. Most of the time they don't know. I can see that it would be much more of a concern in a large area, such as most of southern California, but that's a situation I haven't been in yet.
 
How much does all this cost you though?

- Organizing permits.

- Scheduling date's & police on locations. etc.
 
Permits shouldn't be too much, maybe a hundred or two. The cost of having an off duty cop can get pricey. However, the cost of having a cast member shot and you going to jail is Priceless... right? I'm not sure, but I think that just informing the local police as to what is going on will be sufficient to prevent most problems.
 
Permits could cost you nothing or it could be a few hundred dollars and insurance policies plus paying for off-duty cops.

I have a show coming up where we have airsoft weapons employed and it is going to cost us nothing. We are shutting down streets, using private locations, and having police on set at all times. The city is really helping us out here.

Depends on your area. Best thing to do is to call the city you are shooting at or contact your local film commission.
 
Sounds like a lot of fun Matty! It is always a nice feeling when you get support like that. Sounds like your project is going to be epic. Kinda wish I was up there on your project!

Ki-Ki, like the good Captain already said, permits vary by city and county. Same with insurance requirements and police presence. On my last few shoots, police presence was not required, as my plan of action and provisions were accepted as being adequate. But that comes with experience and a good working relationship with law enforcement. Since I started this aspect of my company, I have had the police at my place twice, at my request, to see what I have and review my security provisions and my set guidelines. This has gone a long ways in developing a working relationship and a certain level of trust with them.
 
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And Kiki - you don't know what you are going to get until you ask. The last city I worked with every permit we applied for was denied despite our professionalism and our insurance policies.

But for the most part, cities want productions to roll through. Regardless of the size of the production, it brings business. It is something to put in the paper, and it is attention they want. Most places will work with you. Sometimes, they don't. You just have to ask.

And Doc, I'd love to have you if you were on our coast. I'll keep people in the loop as soon as the details are ironed out.
 
Hi Mattykins- it's been a month- has your project made any headway? BTW- I AM on the same coast as you. Let me know if you need anything.

Doc, my friend- you gave me this post privately to review right about when you put it up. I don't have a thing to add- well done!
 
Indies can cut corners on a lot of things without hurting anyone/anything, but involving guns is one time I'd definitely be liasing with the police beforehand and waving lots of 'Filming in progress' signs around the sets. Any gun incident can seriously hurt your film maker reputation (and the reputation of all other local film makers), quite aside from anyone getting hurt/shot/arrested/etc
 
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