impossible to shoot video in daylight?

Bruce,

are you reffering to the industry standard single and double nets? I often use a double net myself on exteriors, but a 12x12 double net costs about 450 bucks and that's not counting the the additional 200 for the frame and additional 600 for the two high walkers and 100 for the six sand bags.

I have this gear, but I assumes this post was a micro-budget gig that couldn't afford that type of gear, not to mention I'm under the impressiona the car is moving during these scenes.
 
Spidey,

a word of advice, not that you'd ever be the type to take advice, but there may be others on this site that are smart enough to do just that.

If you want to learn about this business and get into it, the best way is to make FRIENDS with people in this industry that can get you work along side them and from whom you can LEARN things.

The old saying in this town, "it's who you know", is true. I have friends I help out often, because they need MY GEAR.

I bet you can guess one person that I'll NEVER help out. Can't you Spidey? Think hard.
 
im just saying be helpful instead of saying i have this gear and you don't so far you have be mighty high towards people and not helpful. and dude rea the other posts i already wenty over this, i am in the "business I'm a DP.

plus I dont think i would want your help it might be little you.
 
Great point Bobinet or faux Bobinet

Great point Bobinet or faux Bobinet

Icarus2005 said:
Bruce,

are you reffering to the industry standard single and double nets? I often use a double net myself on exteriors, but a 12x12 double net costs about 450 bucks and that's not counting the the additional 200 for the frame and additional 600 for the two high walkers and 100 for the six sand bags.

I have this gear, but I assumes this post was a micro-budget gig that couldn't afford that type of gear, not to mention I'm under the impressiona the car is moving during these scenes.
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Sorry it took so long to respond
i have been shoting ....
You are increasing my knowlege now with your post on how expensive this stuff is !!!! thanks
I was not in a key position on that production .
i was honored to talk with the gaffer who was on" pulp fiction ."
we waxed enthusiastic aboout film ha ha
Now that you mention it .
my question is
can you get a cheap substitute netting that is like bobinet ?
ill do aanything to get out of gelling windows
Thanks for a reply
Bruce

:thumbsup:
 
Bobinet is better used to create shallow depth of field than to try to stop down windows. In fact anyone with a DV camera should use it as an inexpensive but very cool DOF reducer.
 
Icarus2005 said:
Bruce,

are you reffering to the industry standard single and double nets? I often use a double net myself on exteriors, but a 12x12 double net costs about 450 bucks and that's not counting the the additional 200 for the frame and additional 600 for the two high walkers and 100 for the six sand bags.

I have this gear, but I assumes this post was a micro-budget gig that couldn't afford that type of gear, not to mention I'm under the impressiona the car is moving during these scenes.
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:laugh: :shocked: :thumbsup:
Sorry I took so long to reply
Bobbinet may be duplicateble at a low cost or it may not .
Someone said it is for reducing depth of field not for window light supression .
It looked like cheap stuff when i was on the set and I hope I could find some and use it
Too bad it seems so expensive
Would some other material work??
Thanks for a reply
Bruce :thumbsup:
 
The simplest answer to your question:

The simplest answer to your question:

Use the sun as a backlight. Expose for your actors faces. Use an HMI or a silver/gold reflector to key in the shadow areas.

If you are shooting reverse angles, you will have to PLAN your shoot accordingly to compensate for the suns movement.

Trust me on this. You won't need any sort of post production gobbledy-gook to make the shot work.
 
Walter_Graff said:
Bobinet is better used to create shallow depth of field than to try to stop down windows. In fact anyone with a DV camera should use it as an inexpensive but very cool DOF reducer.
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Well, could you please explain how?
Right now, I´m imagining putting 2x2 meters (yes, I´m European...) of Bobinet (I don´t know this name/brand, I assume it is just a very fine black nylon net, yes?) behind eg a talking head and set at the right point it will diffuse the background...?
Any further instructions, Walter?
EDIT: didn´t want to highjack this threat, but I think the starting question has been answered...
 
Spartacus said:
Well, could you please explain how?
Right now, I´m imagining putting 2x2 meters (yes, I´m European...) of Bobinet (I don´t know this name/brand, I assume it is just a very fine black nylon net, yes?) behind eg a talking head and set at the right point it will diffuse the background...?
Any further instructions, Walter?
EDIT: didn´t want to highjack this threat, but I think the starting question has been answered...
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:thumbup: :smiley_do
I think your request for extra details is great and someone maybe me should post some clips on highlight supresson , methods to increase dof ,and raising detail in shadow areas as in (dont crush the Blacks )..
Ill work on this .
The bobinet material i saw was fine to the point of 1/2 inch to 1/4 inch rectangles of black net material . Id have to see it again to know if there is something in general industry which is cheap and similar . :beer:
 
Hey Bruce,
yeah, just do it!
Can you explain the theoretic part behind using sth like bobinet to decrease DoF or suppress highlights?
This would be greatly appreciated!!!
 
Spartacus said:
Hey Bruce,
yeah, just do it!
Can you explain the theoretic part behind using sth like bobinet to decrease DoF or suppress highlights?
This would be greatly appreciated!!!
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:shocked: :huh: :shocked:
I can not at this time explain it!!!
The dof effect with bobinet was mentioned by Walter Graff .
He is gone so Barry ! Jarred Please step in if you can hear us and render an opinion .Please !
It is going to take me two weeks to test .
As for what i saw originally ----
In "arrested dev" I saw it put over the boat windows so I said "neat a quick and dirty replacement for all that Nd work !
Walter says it is for dof .
I thinks we need to draft Bruce Finn to come on this site and give an opinion he is inventing alot of lighting stuff for HD SHOWS >>
I say
Ill test in two weeks
and get Back to the thread
Meantime
Cheers and Beers
Bruce :beer: :beer:
 
Hi,
Actually it's the sound guy who HATES dialog in a car! ;-)

Frankly I'd have been very happy if half of the shots in moving cars I've had to do were in a convertible.

The "problem" I've had is that the car was a hard-top and we were trying to ight the people in the car so the world outside the window didn't blow-out.

Franky in my opinion the DVX looks better in daytime exterior conditions than any video camera, short of it's own big brothers or the Cine Alta.

Also I like having the sun backlight my subject then fill them in. I worked second unit on a feature where the DP only used a 20'X20' White Grif for daytime exterior fill for a shot with many extras, the sun backlit the scene.

Ridly Scott waited to shoot The Duelists in Autumn so he'd have that "natural silk" overhead in all of his exteriors. Besides, most of the really horrible parts of the Napoleanic wars took place in winter anyway, right? ;-)

Just 2 cents. . .

MR
 
BTW, GamColor does make an ND gel that made specifically to squeegy onto car windows just like window tint. FYI

MR
 
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