icc color management, wide gammut monitors in fcp

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Eljoninjo

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Hi this friday I finally ordered an Nec spectra view 2690. I have a AJA kona LHE and panny plasma but I wanted a new monitor to work on. Im a videographer/compositor and I finish to dvd and webb and HD (soon blueray discs).
I was looking for a really nice monitor for editing and postproduction in fcp, shake, nuke and apple color.
The most I read about the NEC spectra view is good but I have not had a wide gammut screen before so I feel a little bit nerves. Im worried that that fcp, shake, nuke not work with NEC spectra view 2690 wide gammut and show oversaterated images...

Have anybody here worked with NEC spectra view 2690? or videoediting or other applications like fcp, shake, nuke, apple color on a wide gammut monitor?
 
A non-wide gamut monitor does not over saturate to compensate for colors they can't display. It simply is not able to show the intended color and may substitute the nearest color it can display instead.

If you get a wide -gamut monitor, be sure to run a quality monitor calibrator. FCP Should* be able to refer to the icc profile it creates and adjust it's color output to match.

So it shouldn't be over-saturating the image, but you will likely see a difference in the range of color the monitor can display. It's possible that might be perceived as being over-saturated. But that's only because you got used to looking at a monitor with lower quality color reproduction.


It's kinda like going from a cheap set of earbuds & an mp3 player to a high end audio mixing studio. The studio is going to sound a lot better because it can output a much wider "audio gamut". So the Bass & the Treble might seem enhanced, more then you would be used to.
 
I ordered i1Display 2 for calibrate it. Fcp should* the * is interesting. Atleast it make the stress go down a couple of degrees. Thanks!

Are you using a Wide Gammut display?
 
Well that's what Color Profiles are supposed to do when they work correctly. But I don't know the guts of FCPs' color profile structure. And there's been threads all over the web about improper Gamma settings in FCP & Quicktime movies. So yes, it's possible FCP as it is now will be a bit screwed up..

But like many others on here will shout over and over again on these boards, your best, most color accurate reproduction is going to be a proper broadcast output to a broadcast monitor, such as a Kona card. But that doesn't mean a great monitor for FCP or other editing is a waste money, cause IMO it ain't!!!

I'm using a 30" Cinema display. I wish we could have bought something better, the color gamut on these beasts leave some to be desired... A quality DELL monitor would have been better and cost us less... but I'm not the one who buys the gear for my dept and I lost the argument... Something about a nice looking apple logo & a matching monitor casing to go with the Mac Pro towers... lol.

At home I have an older Dell 2407 for a monitor and I can see better color then this Cinema Display. I've not seen the NEC's in person, but I do know they are well perceived.

here's a link you might find interesting:

http://macperformanceguide.com/RecommendedDisplays.html


I always refer to this guys' info. It's usually a good place to start since he makes it a point to test a LOT of hardware and actually uses the stuff he tests for his own work. So if it's good enough for an engineer mindset who also shoot lots of photography and does a lot of technical Mac stuff, then it must be pretty darn decent at worst....
 
As Ryan mentioned, when it comes to video editing your computer monitor is there for interacting w/the GUI and that's it.


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Sure, if you never have to edit photos or graphics for your projects.

A good quality monitor is important. Even if some of the programs you use don't know how to utilize it right, there is still so much out there where it makes a difference.
 
Final cut will most probely work good. Yeah its alot of problems in forums about the improper gammas. I think the most common problem is when you mix the "animation codec" (thats is RGB) with YUV materials (dvc pro, pro rez) in a YUV based timeline without change the gamma setting of the rgb to match the yuv. If you look at the application monitor it looks like it should but if you watching your aja output you see its washed out. If you dont have an black magic och aja you se it in the rendered file.

Yes, the Nec is for the applications, editing photos and graphics. But I want to use to check colors for when its going to the webb aswell. For dvd and blueray I use the aja output of course. Thanks again for you thougts/Joel
 
RyanBellaCine said:
Sure, if you never have to edit photos or graphics for your projects.

A good quality monitor is important. Even if some of the programs you use don't know how to utilize it right, there is still so much out there where it makes a difference.
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Which is why I specifically said "...when it comes to video editing..." :beer:


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RyanBellaCine said:
If you get a wide -gamut monitor, be sure to run a quality monitor calibrator. FCP Should* be able to refer to the icc profile it creates and adjust it's color output to match.

So it shouldn't be over-saturating the image, but you will likely see a difference in the range of color the monitor can display. It's possible that might be perceived as being over-saturated. But that's only because you got used to looking at a monitor with lower quality color reproduction.
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Hi I got the monitor late yesterday. I have calibrated it with a xrite eye 1 display2. The first impression was its not so deep blacks. In fcp red shows up as super red and to eyes thats way, way to red so I guess fcp dont recordnice icc. Its the same for shake and nuke. Everyting still looks good from aja to plasma. This is what i was afraid would happen. Anybody had this problem?
 
ICC is strictly a photo/gfx thing. It would be nice if there was an equivalent in the video world but there is not. This is one reason you can't plug a computer monitor into your GFX card and expect to be able to accurately and reliably monitor video.


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After effect support icc and once you load your profile its shows correct colors! so its not just for photo. I think we going to se alot of widegammut monitors and the big applications must starting to support it.
 
Just wanted to say I changed monitor to an ordinary sRGB monitor instead since photoshop and AE is the only programs i use that works with icc profiles. Fcp, shake does not work with wide gammut screens (if you not construct your own lut or other own special sultion).

I wish i found this article a bit sooner. Hope somebody else can use this info and save and headake.
http://www.artstorm.net/journal/2009/07/color-management-wide-gamut-dell-2408/

cheers
Joel
 
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