i7 fast enough for Red?

[USLatin]

With Vegas 9 coming out this coming Monday I though I'd start a thread.

I am very exited about Red Rocket, unfortunately it might be a little while longer before it is out. Since it doing everything they say it will is far more likely than not, we should have a good idea right now if Vegas 9 will be able to handle Red Code RAW with current hardware.

Rocket will feed an RGB 4:4:4 to Vegas by debayering and downconverting the .r3d in RT, so if a given workstation can handle RGB uncompressed right now then we would be able to assume the same should happen with V9 and a RRocket installed. We might see a speed increase from V8 to V9 it will be relatively small, probably something like what we saw from V7 to V8. But if V8 is fast enough V9 will certainly not be slower.

Has anyone worked with 4:4:4 RGB of some sort in a single i7 station? And what about a dual Nehalem Xeon station? (if dual please let us know what CPU speed)

If there is something wrong with my extrapolation (besides the annoying eagernes ) then please point it out.

 

[ctann]

But if V8 is fast enough V9 will certainly not be slower.

I wouldn't take that as a given. I recently upgrade from Cubase 4.0 to Cubase 5.0, and noticed a significant speed decrease. Not saying that will be the case with Vegas, but usually in new releases, new features are added, and each one adds to the processor usage and memory footprint of the program.

Has anyone worked with 4:4:4 RGB of some sort in a single i7 station? And what about a dual Nehalem Xeon station? (if dual please let us know what CPU speed).

So I have only just upgraded from DV to AVCHD (HMC150), but I do have an interest in Red. For AVCHD, it is processing power that is the main bottleneck. I'm sure that Red will require huge processing power as well, but I think that it may actually be data-rates that are the killer - so the processor will be important, but the disk and memory setup may be even more important...

For AVCHD, I use Vaast Gearshift for my workflow, doing most of the editing with a low-res version, and then swapping back to the AVCHD source for my final work. That works a treat (and I hope it works in Vegas 9 too, otherwise I'll be in trouble). Hopefully Gearshift will support Red too... Not that I am likely to be shooting on the Red anytime soon, but I do have a friend that will be starting a feature on the Red shortly, and it would be nive to have the capability so that I can help out...

Chris.

 

[USLatin]

Well it seems from a user post at RedUser who has an i7 2.66GHz with 12GB of memory running on 64-bit, that you can edit at 1k with tons of grading RT!!! Even fading from one clip to an other!

Several have been experiencing crashes but, hey, it's been our for a day. I also had issues with Red Cine, so I think it might be my video card.

I get ~20fps playback with 32-bit float Full, no grading, at "Good" Quarter/1k . On a Q6600 at 3.15GHz with 4GB but in XP-32. However, despite the crashes, everything seems to work great.

I used 32-bit floating Full, and it seems you have to set the Compositing Gamma to 2.22

So you just might be Red-Ready and you didn't know it.

 

[thome]

Hey Uslatin.How much did u get ur red for?Do you find it worth it or is the hustle too much?

 

[USLatin]

I don't have a Red, just my trusty HVX-200. But I have been doing a lot of research lately and it seems that if you have enough for a full package, proper work-station then no... it doesn't sound like it is much of a hassle at all!

The body may be $17.5k but a "full package" including a workstation and say, a set of the up and coming Red Pro Primes which sound insane might run you about $45 with some top shelf support, fancy media and a long list of other bells and whistles included. Basically everything you would need for sticks and hand held, cinema glass and all the workflow related accessories. RAID included though that other guy was working off a 2 x 7200rpm RAID-0 without an issue. It might not be enough for heavier versions of Red Code, but it seems it is plenty for RC36.

With V9 it looks like you would dump to your drives and edit, just like P2 with Vegas and Raylight!

 

[USLatin]

Here is a little H.264 I was playing with, thanks Peter M. for uploading the RC36 4k .r3d's!

Vegas 9 - Pool Table
(4.8MB ; H.264 @ 6/3.5 ; 11sec of footage)

I was having a little trouble with getting rid of some of the blue spill on some of the billiard balls. I had a string of 9 effects and man, I love how I can't notice the degradation on the preview. Keep in mind that I graded on a consumer LCD. I added a curve, three balances for highs mids and lows, saturation (I think), brightness and contrast, unsharp and two secondary correctors for the blue.