I need advice on Flip vs Non-Flip

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seanwin

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Hi Guys,

I'm using a Sony Z1 and like I said in an earlier post I am vey new to 35mm Adapters.

I have been searching for a Letus or Brevis and my budget is not huge.

I read somewhere if I use a magnet to flip the lcd I dont need a flip module, however Cinevate says their flip module is sharper than their non-flip.

But I hear from others that Non-Flips are sharper because there is not another layer of glass to go through.

Any help to clear this up? I was thinking I might as well go for a non-flip and use a magnet if it'll save me the cash.

Thanks

Sean
 
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The extreme, sg, brevis, all of them lose a little bit of light, but you should be using lights anyways so I wouldent really worry about lightloss all that much unless you are going to use a light hungry monster like the M2 or G35
 
Well, to start with the magnet trick only really worked on older cameras like the DVX100 and 100a, not the newer ones. So you really have no choice but to get a flip module unless you have an external monitor that can be flipped upside down.
 
the magnet trick works on the z1. I've tried it on a number of them and they all work, just put the magnet near the hinge. As for non-flip options, don't forget the sgblade.
 
Thanks for your feedback guys,

bimdas is right the Sony Z1 can be flipped with a magnet, a friend of mine uses the sgpro and it does produce some great images. Im still kinda partial to the brevis so I went with that.

I'll probably by the flip for it later down the track.
 
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I'm not a Prizm flip fan. There is the light loss. And any time light enters and leaves glass, there is distortion. Not to mention the extra internal reflections. Also the 2 extra glass surfaces are great additional dust collecting areas. I prefer an external monitor and flipping the camera upside down. Less is sometimes more. With this setup you don't even need the flip feature on the monitor. I would trade the prizm cost for the external monitor. Then the footage is actually shot with correct orientation and no need for pre-edit flipping. Here is my old DVX unit. Upside down.
 

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Our flip is optically better than the non-flip for several reasons...the largest is likely due the fact a "weaker" optic is required in the achromat department. Not only is the flip achromat using a longer focal length than the non-flip, but it's also engineered to correct for the prism in place. The additional light loss is so small, you really do need a waveform monitor to see it.

The only time we ever shoot non-flip in our studio is when we're testing. For our own production work we use the flip 100% of the time.
 
Hey Dennis,

Good to hear from the man behind it all. I have researched it and am going to get the flip for it in the next few months, jus so many things to get it can drive your budget way up.

I just paif $620 aussie for a Zeiss Planar 1.4, so im sure the brevis and that will get me some great shots.

Thanks ,

Sean.
 
Investments in good glass are never bad ones in my humble opinion. I've seen quite a few professionals throw the Zeiss lenses (via Nikon to Canon EOS adapters) on brand new 5Ds with amazing results. Granted you don't get AF and stabilization with the Zeiss lenses but typically the primes are very fast so you have the option of higher shutter speeds. That's not so say that I don't love the convenience of the Canon 24-70 and stabilized 70-200 f2.8L zooms we have, but a 50mm f/1.4 can use 1/60s shutter to get the same exposure as the 24-70 f2.8L would be getting at 1/30s. That aside, the contrast and warmth of the Zeiss lenses is something you notice immediately.

I guess what I'm saying here is that manual (but high quality) primes in your collection may still have an application on the latest whiz-bang cams coming out. The fact that the adapter world has brought us follow focus units that are 100% usable with these SLR lenses is just a big plus going forward with them.
 
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