i know, i know, more oktava....lol.....last question

[blake2404]

K decided on oktava.......i can save a bunch from oktava canada but just need feed back.......between the bella nero and "film edition"..........difference?.......film edition uses a low cut filter as opposed to the -10 db pad on the bella nero......big deal?.......and also wanna know if the shockmount on the oktava site is good enough for indoor boom....its the sambra ssm1

also i just wanted to thank everyone for their advice, i really appreciate it.....most of my work has been very visula with sound layed on after but know im doin more dialogue driven work so yeah enter oktava....lol..........i promise its my last oktava inquiry....lol.........wish i could afford more, like the akg ck93.......but i cant so whatever, thanks

 

[MontrealAudio]

I don't think there is a difference other than the box and the low cut. I also am looking into grabbing one of these for myself but since I also do a ton of ambient field recordings I think it might be smart to get the kit with the 3 capsules and purchase the low cut separately. Have you purchased from Oktava Canada before? I have read some horror stories about knockoff Oktavas and would like to know if you find Oktava CAN trustworthy. Cheers

 

[MattinSTL]

Given a choice I'd rather have the low-cut then the pad. The low-cut is at 85hz (not sure of the slope) but there will be more times when the benefit of controlling bass at the mic is helpful. You may even leave the low-cut on permanently.

 

[MontrealAudio]

I agree with you, Matt. For film applications the lowcut would be way more beneficial than an attenuator pad. I'm just waiting to hear from others experiences with OktavaCAN before purchasing.

 

[Sound Chaser]

Yes I have bought off Oktava Canada out of Calgary. The deal went smoothly and it was a complicated multiple order. I had to wait for some time so they shipped me what they had and kept me informed all the way.

The shock mount is excellent and cheap. There are better shock mounts around in terms of absolute isolation, but for booming you also need secure grasping of the instrument while limiting handling noise. The Oktava shock mount is a good compromise in this respect.

I can't say this enough--do not get the MK012 hyper. Get the MK102 large diaphram. (I have both but, never use the hypers) IMO the MK102 is superior in every way. It is also great for ambient, instrument recording and VO. If you can swing a matched pair the sky's the limit regarding flexibility. One thread that you repeatedly hear on this forum is, "how do I record a concert." For the dollar, you can't do better than a matched pair of 102's.

One hint to how a mic sounds is it's polarity pattern. On the Oktava site you can see the patterns of all of their mics. I have never seen a mic with such perfect off axis rejection. This is exactly what you want and it is a big part of the response.

 

[MontrealAudio]

I can't say this enough--do not get the MK012 hyper. Get the MK102 large diaphram. (I have both but, never use the hypers) IMO the MK102 is superior in every way. It is also great for ambient, instrument recording and VO. If you can swing a matched pair the sky's the limit regarding flexibility. One thread that you repeatedly hear on this forum is, "how do I record a concert." For the dollar, you can't do better than a matched pair of 102's.

Hmm, everything I know and have learned points to hypers (the MK012 with hyper cap in this situation..) being ideal for indoor reverberant situations. I have listened to countless examples of the MK012 indoors sounding pretty decent if not great. I have also spoken to big name location sound guys working on hollywood features who are recommending using hypers indoors and shotguns outdoors as a basic rule of thumb. What kind of location experience / example can you give to support your statement about the MK012, we are talking about indoor dialogue capture here or ambient recordings. A hyper would not be ideal for ambience imo... However the MK102 comes with several capsules as well. What is the major difference between these models? and why isnt there as much buzz about the mk102 as there is teh mk012?

 

[Steve House]

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I can't say this enough--do not get the MK012 hyper. Get the MK102 large diaphram. (I have both but, never use the hypers) IMO the MK102 is superior in every way. It is also great for ambient, instrument recording and VO. If you can swing a matched pair the sky's the limit regarding flexibility. One thread that you repeatedly hear on this forum is, "how do I record a concert." For the dollar, you can't do better than a matched pair of 102's.

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You're thinking about recording music, either in studio or performance - most people looking at the Oktavas here are looking for a mic for booming to record spoken dialog or interviews and the MK102 would very very cumbersome out on the end of a 12 foot boom being hand-swung to follow dramatic action. The cardioid pickup pattern means its normal working distance is going to make it impossible to keep out of frame and still get a decent level on normal dialog, plus the wider pattern will pickup surrounding ambience and room reverb excessively. The 102 may well be a great mic - I have no knowledge of that - when used for VO on a desk stand 8 inches from the speaker or when 2 are paired for X/Y conicident stereo micing but those aren't the applications for which people are looking to the MK012. One usually chooses a small diaphram hypercardioid when looking for a boom mic to record normal speech in a reflective interior.

 

[Sound Chaser]

However the MK102 comes with several capsules as well. What is the major difference between these models? and why isnt there as much buzz about the mk102 as there is teh mk012?

the MK102 would very very cumbersome out on the end of a 12 foot boom being hand-swung to follow dramatic action.

Guys...the MK102 is the MK012.
THEY ARE THE SAME MIC ONLY THE CAPSULE IS DIFFERENT. It is no different than switching from hyper to omni to cardiod. Only the diaphram is bigger. But, the sound is hugely different. Because of the weird shape of the capsule it is the only microphone I have EVER SEEN with the ports directly opposite of the diaphram. This gives it the very unique advantage of controlling a perfect rejection pattern. The diaphram just happens to sound good. I own matched sets of both capsules and share the same bodies.
I have used the MK102 in a small ceramic bathroom to record a scene for Playmate of the Year reality TV. The hyper didn't work in this situation because the mic was mounted out of frame on the sink counter top too close to the tiled wall causing the 'tail' to cancel out. The 102 worked perfectly in this situation because it's tight pattern rejected the reflective wall behind and pulled in the sound directly in front....working distance 20".