HVX200A - First Look

florisvaneck said:
Also, the HPX-170 carries the HPX label (like the HPX-500) and not the HVX label, so I am not sure why people believe it will be cheaper.
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HPX = P2 recording. HVX = DV recording. The "V" means there's a DV tape drive present. So that's not an indication of quality or anything, it's not a "label" or a "brand", it's a model specification. D=standard def, H=high def. V=DV tape, D=DVCPRO tape, P=P2.
 
Chris Lynch said:
Do they use the same image block?
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Many people have asked that, and I don't know the answer. But if I were a betting man, I'd bet that they are indeed the same -- after all, how many 1/3" HD progressive chipsets does a single manufacturer really need? The terminology in the press releases all sounds similar, so I'd say that it's a reasonable assumption to say that the 200A chipset is the same as the HPX170's chipset. Of course, we'll know more when we get a chance to put the two side-by-side, but that probably won't happen for many months.

What are the improved refinements in the HPX170?
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We don't know everything yet, the only things I know for sure were the physical features I could see on the 170. Things like an additional ND filter switch position, HD-SDI output, 6-pin firewire port, no tape drive, much lighter, a little smaller, 72mm lens instead of 82mm, 3.9mm-51mm focal range instead of 4.2-55mm, and the press release says 20 variable frame rates instead of 11. Oh, and a WFM button for a waveform monitor.

If there are other goodies waiting under the hood (meaning, new software features) I don't know yet, that hasn't been revealed.
 
bilgami said:
Is the HPX170 more of a dvx or hvx upgrade or in between?
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The 170 looks like it's a streamlined, upgraded 200. It's a little odd because the 170 is smaller, yet it looks like it's more professional because it has a 6-pin firewire and HD-SDI. Yet its model number is lower. So... a bit of confusion there.
 
ullanta said:
If the Green Barry sees significant improvement in sensitivity and noise performance, but none in sharpness, then it would seem the sensors are similar to the original 960x540...
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I saw no improvement in resolution, just significant gains in noise and a decent boost in sensitivity.
 
ullanta said:
"Effective Pixels" is sort of an unclear term. How one gets a number of "effective pixels" from the sensor array is complicated, and arguable... pixel-shifting, e.g., increases the number of "effective pixels" for the same number of elements in the sensor array.

So, any claim about the number of "effective pixels" can't rerally be used to evaluate the number of elements in the sensor array unless you're told exactly how the "effective pixels" are derived.
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Maybe, but I find it odd that Panasonic promotes the 1.1 million figure with the 200A but always downplayed the pixel count with 200. And why the more precise "1.1 million" and not "more than a million" if effective pixel count is derived through spatial offset?
 
Tzedekh said:
Maybe, but I find it odd that Panasonic promotes the 1.1 million figure with the 200A but always downplayed the pixel count with 200. And why the more precise "1.1 million" and not "more than a million" if effective pixel count is derived through spatial offset?
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is this 200a modal an answer to ex1
 
To clarify... I now see no indication in the official HVX200a brochure that 1080/24pN has been added. Damn brochure gremlins!

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florisvaneck said:
If the HPX-170 is like $4,999 that would be a very nice price.
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In an interview on FreshDV, Jan said the price of HPX170 would come in right around that of the 200A.

Also, when the interviewer said, "So the 200A is in some ways maybe a stepping stone to the 170 -- you basically kept the tape drive on the 200A and added some feature sets to the 170," Jan responded, "I like the way you put that. Absolutely." So in some ways it looks like the HPX170, even with its lower number, is viewed as a successor to the 200 -- tapeless, streamlined, new features. And it has LCD flip.
 
Tzedekh said:
In an interview on FreshDV, Jan said the price of HPX170 would come in right around that of the 200A.

Also, when the interviewer said, "So the 200A is in some ways maybe a stepping stone to the 170 -- you basically kept the tape drive on the 200A and added some feature sets to the 170," Jan responded, "I like the way you put that. Absolutely." So in some ways it looks like the HPX170, even with its lower number, is viewed as a successor to the 200 -- tapeless, streamlined, new features. And it has LCD flip.
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It does make you wonder why they opted for the "170" name.
Leaves quite a range from 170 to 500...
:)

Let's start the NAB 2009 speculation.
(I'm kidding folks...)
 
anyone know if the 16gig p2 card will be in the hvx200a box? if not, i may abort on my hvx200a reservation and just pick up the hvx200, 16 gig p2 and $400 rebate. hopefully it does though.
 
slimchrisp said:
anyone know if the 16gig p2 card will be in the hvx200a box? if not, i may abort on my hvx200a reservation and just pick up the hvx200, 16 gig p2 and $400 rebate. hopefully it does though.
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I'm pretty sure it will, but not 100% sure. I will try to remember to ask tomorrow.
 
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