HVX200 Audio Options?

Hi,

I'm trying to upgrade up current sound equipment and had a few questions. I have searched through the forum and have not found quite the inf I needed. Your help would be much appreciated.

The following possible options would be for use with my HVX200 and a Neumann KMR81i shotgun mic along with Tram T50 lav (when necessary). It will be used primarily for documentary interview type work but will also be used for recording any necessary sound FX that I need. My budget is not unlimited. As always, the less $ I have to spend the better. But I am also willing to pay a little more if I can see a reasonable improvement for the extra $ spent. And I also understand that the largest improvements will be from proper mic placement, proper levels, and reducing background noise/echo as much as possible.

Which option would you recommend or is there a better one I have not thought of?

Option 1 - Run the mics straight into the HVX and be done with it. This would only give me room for 2 mics at a time. And I would be using the HVX preamps.

Option 2 - Run the mics into a SD 302 then run that line level into the HVX. This would give me 3 input channels and would also be using the higher quality Sound Devices preamps. But it is still being recorded at 16 bit/48 Khz. And I am still uncertain as to whether running a line level source into the HVX will bypass the preamp. So am I really accomplishing anything with this setup other than giving myself 3 inputs?

Option 3 - Double system. Run the mics into an SD 702 or 722 (can't afford the 744) and record it in high quality 24 bit/48 Khz. I then have all the associated headaches of double system...sync issues, keeping track of what audio files go with what video files, and probably some issue I haven't thought of. This would also cost $1,000 more than option 2 and I only have 2 inputs (unless I send some non-critical sources to the HVX as supplementary audio).

So my questions...

How good/bad is the built in audio of the HVX?

Is option 2 going to make a good improvement on my audio quality and have less noise? Or does the line in signal still run through the HVX preamps and I get the same thing? I have seen this issue debated on another thread or two and would like to get to the bottom of it. Specifications aside, is there a real-world improvement to go with option 2?

Can I expect a significant improvement of audio by going with option 3 over option 2? Is it worth the money and losing that extra input, in your opinion?
 
And I also understand that the largest improvements will be from proper mic placement, proper levels, and reducing background noise/echo as much as possible.

To clarify, are you currently using less than proper techniques? If the answer is 'yes', upgrading your gear is going to do you very little good.
 
Just stating that I realize technique is more important than gear. That is where one should start to improve audio. That is an understood point. So with that behind us, the questions are regarding equipment. Thanks.
 
Well, imho, I'd say go with a 302 into the HVX. The 302's very high quality limiters are an important safety especially when using 16-bit as you'll want to run the levels a little higher. (Higher levels and without an experienced mixer running sound = you'll likely clip unless you have a limiters in the signal chain)

As for your mic choose, did you factor in the price of a blimp, cables, headphones, ect... A good mic without the right accessories doesn't do a ton of good.
 
Nick are you running camera and audio both by yourself?
If so keep it simple- no mixer.
If you have a separate audio guy the 302 is the way to go.

While in my opinion the 200 doesnt have great quality sound, it will more than do for
the typical dialog recording.

As far as sound fx, Id love to say get a separate recorder but is it worth it for your budget?
Only you can know that answer.
 
Hey Rippie, I will have a sound guy, so I don't think running a mixer will be a problem. Just wondering if running it through the HVX will cause the quality to suffer and noise to increase substantially.
 
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