HVX with panavision lenses

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Icarus2005

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I've worked on gigs with the panavision cinealta, which is an sony f900 with panavision lenses. I believe this is what Lucas and Rodriguez have been using.

It looks great and is incredibly fast compared other DV cameras I've used.

My question is: with all the 35 adaptors out there, is there one for the panavision lenses and has anyone tried it?

An HVX200 with panavision lenses might make some great images.
 
what?

Ive never heard of such a thing. Infact, i saw some old advertisments back for episode II & III claiming they loved the flexibility of the Fujion lenses for their production.

The only cinema lens adapter you could be thinking of is one that does allow you to use cinema lenses on 2/3" cameras, but you dont get the same depth of field, only the same field of view. Cant remember who makes it. Quite expensive tho. Just came out.
 
Icarus2005 said:
I've worked on gigs with the panavision cinealta, which is an sony f900 with panavision lenses. I believe this is what Lucas and Rodriguez have been using.

It looks great and is incredibly fast compared other DV cameras I've used.

My question is: with all the 35 adaptors out there, is there one for the panavision lenses and has anyone tried it?

An HVX200 with panavision lenses might make some great images.
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Isn't that the Genesis, I thought that was released this year; at the earliest last year.
 
Rhydon said:
what?

Ive never heard of such a thing. Infact, i saw some old advertisments back for episode II & III claiming they loved the flexibility of the Fujion lenses for their production.

The only cinema lens adapter you could be thinking of is one that does allow you to use cinema lenses on 2/3" cameras, but you dont get the same depth of field, only the same field of view. Cant remember who makes it. Quite expensive tho. Just came out.
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Pro35 same people that make the Mini35.
 
No, guys, its not the genisses and not the pro35 adaptor

I've seen the genises and footage shot with it. It's great, but huge and way expensive.

I worked this cinealta that had Panavision name on it and used interchangable panavision lenses without any adaptor on it. Just like the fujinon lenses that go right on an F900 or a varicam, but it it had all the geared rings for focus assist and hard stops.

I'd like to see thos lenses on an HVX200 and see what kind of results it delivers.
 
If I'm not mistaken, Lucas used a CineAlta (the F900) with Panavision lenses for Episode II. For III, he went with the F950, using a different set of lenses.
 
Panavision adapted the sony cinealta f900 some years ago and filmized the stock body and developed new lenses for the camera. They did this in association with Sony. They are, in my opinion, the best HD lenses out there. I have also used the cooke primes with success. you could use these lenses on an adapter for the hvx with the
right mount and support. As far as the genesis camera goes it is sweet.

I have some pix of genesis with lenses if you can tell me how to post them.
 
Why would you use an HVX at that level? Just rent a 2/3" cam. I just dont get people putting the $25,000 lenses on their $6000 cameras. 2/3" CCD will give you better low light performance, cleaner image, etc.


ash =o)
 
AshG said:
Why would you use an HVX at that level? Just rent a 2/3" cam. I just dont get people putting the $25,000 lenses on their $6000 cameras. 2/3" CCD will give you better low light performance, cleaner image, etc.


ash =o)
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it's simple, my friend. One can rent a set of primes for lot less than an entire camera package. For example, on a 30 day feature I can BUY two HVX200 for the rental cost of a single F950 would be. And for a microbudget feature that makes sense

yes, cookes are nice lenses as well, but not digi-primes, or so I believe. And I don't want to have to use a mico-adaptor. In an ideal world I would be able to buy an HVX200 with a lens mount that would take existing digi-primes. I know, no company wants to do that and risk hurting their existing high end camera sales. But, canon doesn't have any high end cameras, so it seams like it would be in their interest to make such a camera. In fact they should do it with a 2/3 inch chip and reallly sweep the market.
 
The P&S Technik adapter can be rented/bought with a Panavision Mount. Oh and for the record:

Episode 1 - Arriflex Cameras w/Hawk Anamorphic lenses
Episode 2 - Cinealta w/Panavision lenses
Episode 3 - Cinealta w/Fujinon lenses

Oh and the reason some of us would put $25,000 lenses on a $6000 HVX is the same reason people put $25,000 lenses on an Arri 2C. Small, compact, and good imagery. Thoughts to ponder...
 
The Panavised Sony F900 camera (Cinealta is Sony's HD system name...NOT a camera) was designed to be used with Panavision designed Cinestyle HD lenses....these are probalby the WORST cinestyle HD lenses from ergonomics to performance.

Yes...Episode II did start out with these lenses and quickly switched to Fujinon lenses. Not something Panavision really wants you to hear.

If you are going to use a 35 adapeter then use real 35 lenses. No point in using the HD cine lenses in my opinion.
 
AshG said:
Why would you use an HVX at that level? Just rent a 2/3" cam. I just dont get people putting the $25,000 lenses on their $6000 cameras. 2/3" CCD will give you better low light performance, cleaner image, etc.


ash =o)
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Because your CCD is only part of what makes your image.

The real power of cinematography is all in your glass.
 
cannes1979 said:
Oh and the reason some of us would put $25,000 lenses on a $6000 HVX is the same reason people put $25,000 lenses on an Arri 2C. Small, compact, and good imagery. Thoughts to ponder...
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Cannes-
You are forgetting that the Arri 2c (unlike the HVX 200) is not hard-wired to its own imaging system. It can come with the same 4K+ imager (Kodak Vision 2 Negative Film Stock) as its much more expensive Panaflex brothers use. So this is not an "apples-to-apples" comparison.



Chris Taylor
 
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kinophile said:
Cannes-
You are forgetting that the Arri 2c (unlike the HVX 200) is not hard-wired to its own imaging system. It can come with the same 4K+ imager (Kodak Vision 2 Negative Film Stock) as its much more expensive Panaflex brothers use. So this is not an "apples-to-apples" comparison.



Chris Taylor
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This is very true statement. With film cameras..the camera is only a transport and the lenses make or break the image.

With video, glass is only part of the equation.
 
Rental prices on Varicam are falling all over the place... I have used one with a cine set up a few times and it great. You could rent one for a month for the price of an HVX and have a better image and still attach your high end glass.


ash =o)
 
AshG said:
Rental prices on Varicam are falling all over the place... I have used one with a cine set up a few times and it great. You could rent one for a month for the price of an HVX and have a better image and still attach your high end glass.


ash =o)
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A varicam packcage with cine-primes for a whole month for just $5,300?????
Please forward the info on who will rent it to for that rate, I have a feature coming up for which I'd gladly pay that, in fact for that rate I might rent 2 packages!
 
That was the Vari only, not the primes. I will ask my line producer the name of the rental place, I know they are in Dallas but ship to anywhere. My point was that you could rent a Vari for a month for under the $6K that an HVX would cost, either way, you would have to rent lenses as well. Of course, you have to send the Vari back =o)


ash =o)
 
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