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skvalenzuela

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I'd like to dolly into a tv screen and then have that action on the tv become the action of the movie. Should I concentrate on dissolving between the two in post or try to time the action with the camera move?

Any thoughts would be appreciated.
 
If you can get by with the quality (photohraphing a video image) then the easiest thing is to time the dolly move to match at least close enough for your needs.

If the scene is in the TV it'll require more than a dissolve.
If you do it in post you'll need to track the corners of the tv and replace it with your other scene. This will require an effects package and a little bit of work.

If you just want to do a transition on a blank TV to your next scene then doing it in post is fine.
 
You could also consider using a chromakey color on the TV and then dolly into the TV for the camera move, all the time replacing the chromakey with your action that you want to become the next scene. Add some "TV" noise over the action and perhaps ramp from lower resolution to higher during the transition.

Let us know how it turned out.
 
Personally, I would do it all as a practical effect. Light your scene using daylight (5600K) lighting and white balance your camera to daylight so that you match the color temperature of the CRT (which is about 5600K). Make your end frame on your dolly move square to the screen. Match your in-monitor playback footage to a quick dissolve in your NLE as best you can.

What khmuse said is correct. You'll have to at the very least, perform a "zoom" in post to enlarge your timeline-placed video to match the overscan of a TV.
 
skvalenzuela said:
I'd like to dolly into a tv screen and then have that action on the tv become the action of the movie. Should I concentrate on dissolving between the two in post or try to time the action with the camera move?

Any thoughts would be appreciated.
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Have you thought about compositing? You could composite the footage that you eventually want to cut to, on your TV screen. Then, you'd use the tracking tool in AE or Shake or Combustion, to name a few, so that the image looks as if it is coming from the TV in the shot.
 
Thanks guys for all the advice. I'll most likely try more than one of your methods.

One more question for NBCshooter's method: would I be daylight balancing the scene that's playing on the tv or daylight balance the scene of my character watching the action on the tv? or both, maybe?
 
How about dollying out of the TV while the action is being played reversed. then reverse the whole thing again in post, blending the raw footage with the TV. not sure if that made sense? it's just in my mind.
 
Bluebutterflys idea has merit, it takes the guess work out of squaring up to the tv screen when pushing in, which will be trial and error. Unless of course you just rent a motion control rig.

Just kidding.
 
I guess i would play the footage on the TV and push in to it. When you get close enough to fill the screen hold for a few seconds to give you time for your transition which I would to in a compositing program like Combustion. You match up the footage on the screen at the end of the push and slowly use a mode or dissolve into the original footage. Your only work will be the transition and its only a few seconds long as opposed to tracking something for the duration of the shot and making it look like its really on the TV. Hope that helped.
 
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