How to: Edit Audio out...

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DVX100Shooter

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First of all how many channels of audio is typically used on a set whether it be a movie, commercial, documentary, etc?

My question is, if your on the set and the Camera is at "speed" and the slate has been clapped and the director yells action, he or she may need to give further cues to actors or extras once camera is at speed. So how would you erase that audio from being heard of the director yelling out cues or giving direction during a shot? In a Music Video I dont think it matters to much because you will be hearing the music.

I don't have this problem, but I always wanted to know how they deleted the directors audio from an audio track when editing.
 
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There can be anywhere from 1 to up to 10 tracks of audio on a typical production for film, television, or commercials. If there is anywanted dialogue, I usually just cut it out in Pro Tools. For example, I just finished a western where the director was off camera giving timing cues. Since there was no character dialogue over any of this, I just cut it out. Now, if the director is giving verbal cues over character dialogue, then you will have to loop the dialogue.

-Dave
 
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Sound soap is not a multitrack editor. You can simply cut audio out, as Dave said, but he is an audio editor, meaning that even when he cut his audio off, he still have room tone to fill for it, and a lot of ambience tracks running at th same time so you actually can't hear the cuts. If you capture your audio with good editability, you can cut whatever you want. If you just capture one track of ambience+dialog+unwanted noise, you'll be in a bad situation in th editing room.
 
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ok cool....

I am interested in learning more about Pro Tools. I have a MAC G5. Is there a version that is compatible with the MAC?
 
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Forget pro fools and go with Steinberg Nuendo - no dedicated hardware required and a much better interface for post sound production. ;D Also, it runs great on my laptop.
http://www.steinberg.net
 
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Pro Tools 6.4 works great on a G5 running OS 10.3 or higher. I just recently got Nuendo, and am in the process of learning it. There are some things I really like about it, and some things I really hate about it. I'm running Nuendo on my PC and Pro Tools on my Mac, so maybe there are some differences in the versions for different operating systems, but I have to say I prefer Pro Tools because, to me, it seems more intuitive, and allows you to do more things quickly.

The fact that Pro Tools requires external hardware to run is a bit of a bummer, but it is what it is. I love Pro Tools, and am getting into Nuendo. I think that it's good that both of them are out there, and that you have a choice. One thing that I really love about Pro Tools is that they are here in the U.S., and there service is great. Dealer support is fantastic. Steinberg is a German company. Now, I really can't speak from personal experience about their service and support because I haven't had to deal with it yet, but I do know many people who use Nuendo, and are very happy with it.

I would recommend that you find a good local dealer for both, and really give them a good demo. It's important that you pick what's right for you, since it's going to really cost you money any way you slice it.

Anyway, if you have any specific questions about Pro Tools, just let me know. I'm sure if you have any specific questions about Nuendo, soarprod can help.


-Dave

BTW, let's try to keep any name calling (pro fools) to a minimum. I tend to think I'm not a fool from time to time, and know some people who get really offended by that sort of stuff.
 
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OK, so I just spent some quality time with Nuendo....

-It's not as intuitive as I would like.
-There aren't enough quick keys
-Editing is kind of a pain in the arse.
-I don't like the look of it.
-There is no audio regions list for me to get to very quickly (at least that I could find)
-This could just be me, but I didn't see different types of editing modes


I think for post production sound editing, Pro Tools may be the way to go. It's easier to use, and allows you to do many things quickly. If you think about it, you are going to have some sort of hardware even if you get Nuendo, for mic pres and an interface, so it's still going to cost you. Now.... if you compare Nuendo to Pro Tools LE...it gets interesting. There are a few things I actually really like about Nuendo.

I like how on each channel has it's own surround panning, eq, notes, and other stuff right there in the edit window. I wish Pro Tools did that. It makes EQ-ing pretty nice, and panning. I didn't bother to see if you can automate that stuff because I assume you can. Oh, and it's high track count.

Here's what I think should happen:

Digidesign needs to get rid of this LE or TDM crap and just have one version of the software that costs $999. They can have their seperate mic pres, and all of their hardware if they want, but they shouldn't make it so you have to have it to run the software. That's the one thing that really pisses me off about Digi. I use LE, and I have a limited track count, and I have use hardware. No biggie because I'm not doing anything really huge that requires a real high track coun't, but my hardware did crap out on me once, luckily not in the middle of anything. Digi did turn it around quickly, which was nice. However, I like how Pro Tools works better, and will stick with it.

Again, it's all personal preference, and in the end, whatever gets the job done well for you is what works best for you, and nobody can tell you different.

-Dave
 
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Hey Dave, Don't get me wrong dude, I know Pro Tools is a pro product ;) and in some respects, it blows my mind on how good it can be (Dolby Hardware noise reduction) but, it is comparable to avid (who owns digidesign) they hook you with there inexpensive product then you find it limiting and are forced to buy TDM with hardware + an expensive console, etc. There is just so much robustness in Nuendo that I will not go back unless PT is hooked up to a Euphonics board that I must "play" with :) Nuendo is in it's version 2 phase and Pro Tools is 6+. Keep your eyes on Steinberg for the future. I have done 80 tracks on Nuendo with stacked realtime VST's running on like 30 tracks with Video on a 2.8 P4 - no sluggishness or anything. The more compeition to Pro Tools, the better the situation for users. Oh, the interface in Nuendo is funky until you get used to it in relation to PT. So, what kind of work are you into? Sound Design, Audio editing?
 
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BTW, there are several editing modes - sample, slip, grid, write, latch, etc. Look at the help guide. Dave, did you see the option to mix 10.2? SWEET ;D
 
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No I didn't see it. I mainly put it on my machine here at work just to verify Deva transfers to DVD. I try to play with it when I get a few minutes of down time.

As a whole, I definitely feel Nuendo is worth the money. Considering what it does compared to a TDM system, and being native based. As I fiddle with it, I like it more and more.

What I would love to see is a DAW with the best things about Pro Tools and the best things about Nuendo and combine them to make one super DAW.

I've been bitching to Digi to go native, but they just ignore me.

-Dave
 
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Yeah, I know how digidesign responds to requests - after all, they are mainly concerned with music production -> they make more in the music industry. The super product, is it possible? Maybe when MS buys apple, adobe and avid to make a super editor ::)
 
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You know what, you and I should just make our own program. We're both smart people. We can get investors on board with us for funding. It would kick ass, and we would be millionares.

;) ;D

-Dave
 
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[quote author=DVX100Shooter link=board=audio;num=1096035225;start=0#2 date=09/24/04 at 17:50:59]I am guessing that Pro Tools is a better choice then Sound Soap? Which version of PT are you using?[/quote]

Soundsoap is a VST plugin for noise reduction. You can use it with any application that supports VST plugins.

So you can use it with Pro Tools using the VST to RTAS adapter.
 
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