How to Contact Record Labels?

JonathanLB

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I feel like I know a lot about music video production, it's where I started after all, but I don't really understand how you break into actual label productions. I'm not talking about trying to direct U2's next video or Foo Fighters or something. I'm talking the low budget stuff, let's say for a smaller label, something in the range of $8,000 to $20,000 videos. I have 3-4 contacts who do this type of work, people I've known, worked with, interviewed for this or that, etc. They've done work in that range, well one of them even an $80,000 video, but I swear nobody shares. Whatsoever.

You ask how they got in the door, they don't want to tell you. They won't be rude, they'll just conveniently sidestep it. "Well I just worked really hard and the right person noticed." That doesn't help me, obviously. They have contacts, they know how to do it, but there is no way in hell they want to pass that contact onto me, I suppose, because if I send them my work I could be a threat. I may end up getting work over them, I guess, that must be the assumption. I totally appreciate it's a cutthroat industry, I just wish that someone would say hey look, here's what you can do.

This really eludes me because I understand how you'd get a script noticed. You can easily get a script noticed if you enter it into enough solid festivals and competitions, the good ones, and you can get to the finalist category or win a few of these, that works. You can at least get your script read by someone. I understand that process at least somewhat.

The reason I never started looking into this more seriously until now is because I didn't feel I was really at the place for it. But now, I built my reel, I have 4 quality music videos (rock) that I'm happy with, two of them have been sent to festivals. They've been to 25 film festivals and competitions nationwide, I've won three times for Best Music Video and picked up other nominations. Budgets were between $2,000 and $15,000. So I certainly feel that I am qualified to do lower-end label video work, for perhaps a newly signed artist, for a smaller label, something along those lines. I know this work is out there, as I said, because I have known multiple people who do it regularly.

Before anyone comments, I fully recognize there is really not much money at all in music videos anymore. My sales lady's job is to find corporate work, and that is indeed my primary focus. I was just hoping that for fun, because I do love it, and because it's great to experiment, to create, that I could find a few music video projects per year, even if I wasn't making much money at all, just because it is something I enjoy doing. I wouldn't even mind if a label was like ok here's $15,000 and it turned out that we had to spend it all to get the video they wanted. Obviously I don't want to occupy a ton of my time doing this each year, but if I could shoot 1-3 videos per year it would be a great experience. Besides, I have the equipment, I'm fully insured, and I am able to do a project like that start to finish, I've shown I can do it many times before, etc.

So far, the ways I thought might work were naive, or just wouldn't work. Like hoping that one of these bands got signed. First, most bands I've worked with broke up. One has done quite well, for my largest video, and they recently finished 3rd in some big competition. But they're not signed yet. One member left their band, and he has contacted me about a possible label video later this year, because apparently they are close to signing. That'd obviously be the ideal "in" for me.

That being said, any advice? Do you send a letter with a reel to a bunch of labels and just hope for the best? Do you just send the letter with a link to my site and my work, then offer to send a reel if they'd like it? How do you go about this even? I really don't understand it.
 
From what I've read, the record labels will allocate a budget for a new music video for a particular artists, and directors can pitch their treatments for that particular music video. Then if you're lucky and they like it, they'll choose you... But I think you have to be part of a production company before they take you seriously, or at least have something to show (which it sounds like you do). Also if you have a reputation for making good music videos, an artist can request that you direct their clip.
 
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Yeah, from what I understand, projects are rarely "single bid," i.e. there are multiple directors, say 3-5, who put forth a concept for the video, then one of those is chosen. It's rare, except for the bigger directors obviously, for a project to be single bid, so it's basically just given to you and you come up with the concept, pitch it, it's revised, etc.

So yeah, I guess more to the point isn't how do you just get a music video from a label, but how do you get in that group where you are able to pitch ideas even. That's probably the first step most of the time.

I'm definitely aware of how it usually works having read a lot of books about the process, with Making Music Videos being one of the few really in-depth industry books on the subject, but I have no interest in joining another production company. I already have my own. I guess it'd be one thing if it was a one-man shop, but I can't really sign a deal with another production company when I have my own. I have to be primarily accountable to my company especially now that I have a full-time employee, so unless it was a type of situation where I'm free to do my own work with my company and I could be a go-to director for certain types of projects for another production company, then I don't think it would work.

Even a large production company is not going to have many advantages actually making a music video over what I do. They may currently own some better camera equipment, that won't be the case as soon as I'm able to pick up a couple of Scarlets (i.e. they start shipping, lol, the money is there, the product is not, and I won't buy the RED One when I know what's around the corner...), but I already have the means of production myself. That's just how I set everything up, so that we're fully capable of doing a variety of projects. Their rental house connections won't be any better than mine are through my various contacts; we can get some great deals through producers I've worked with, DPs who've shot tons of music videos, etc. About all that a bigger production company will have over me is a stable of directors, higher overhead, and a cushy office, none of which is necessary, especially in today's music video market where labels are spending so much less money. That's why I say the people I know at least, I guess it's 3 that I'm remembering off the top of my head, there's a 4th guy I don't know all that well, all have done record label work on their own, without being attached to any larger production companies.

But again, I'm not really sure, maybe that is the best way and the people I know just got lucky or just had the right contacts, who knows?

Obviously I don't feel that I have to direct more music videos, it's just something I enjoyed doing and I did spend a lot of money creating my reel, a lot of time acquiring this knowledge, and I've done good work, so I'd just love to have that opportunity for it to benefit someone else. I can't really afford at this point to do more work for unsigned bands that have no money. If I had a lot more money just to throw at it, like a hobby, I could do that, but even some of my friends were like, "I'm going to personally kill you if you direct another free music video," and my dad would be none too happy about it either. He thinks of music videos as more or less screwing around, haha.
 
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Hey well that was sweet, I wrote to one label that does rock music and asked if it would be possible to send a reel and who I would send to, explained a bit about myself, and I got written back within the day and told to send it to a certain person and they'd check it out!

So that's something at least. Now it's not unsolicited.

This is a good start, we'll see what happens, but this would be idea, a smaller rock label like that would be my dream. I don't want to do any work besides rock music videos. I basically hate pop music today. I'd do it if the song was right but labels don't pay enough for me NOT to be picky. It'd be one thing if it was like ok well you're going to make a lot of money so you'll direct what we tell you to direct. Ok, great, if that was the case I'll do it! But when you're not going to pay much, no, I'll direct for songs I like and bands that are good. I'd rather not attach my name to crap work and I hate rap, so that's never going to happen. No thanks!

But an all-rock label, that'd be ideal, and even if I could only get a few music videos a year, that'd be great, that's all I would really like to do anyway.
 
Good luck with this sort of thing..

I devoted a substantial amount of effort to marketing my services to larger shows like Charlie Daniels Band, Chuck Mangione, and numerous others. Even was able to send in a couple of demo reels. But nothing. Nada. Zilch results.

It's rather flight of fancy to think one will get a gig with the 'big boys'. Most of them won't even give you the time of day.
 
Well, people do get this type of work all of the time, as I said I have multiple people my age, or within a few years younger or older, who are doing label work. Heck there are people on this forum who do that too, I saw one of the videos for Hey Monday (I think that's right?) playing in Cabo San Lucas, directed by one of our very own here! I was like, "Hey I know the guy who did that video! Crazy."

It's not that difficult getting record label work obviously, it's just you have to find the connections. It's not like getting to direct Spider-Man 4 here, there are a lot of TINY budget record label videos, after all.
 
It's not that difficult getting record label work obviously, it's just you have to find the connections. It's not like getting to direct Spider-Man 4 here, there are a lot of TINY budget record label videos, after all.

Well, that's the actual rub. You have to have the connections. And TINY labels usually are band directed in the sense of the band goes..."I know this guy who can do a video for us". Of course, some break-through artists will get your name out there and might generate calls etc. But there are directors with agents who get most of the big-time videos.

Network, definitely do that, but I don't know that anyone at a label is looking at reels and putting directors on a list.

Ted Spencer seems to have a lot of music background, he might have some perspective on this.

-M
 
There are at least a couple of tiers of music video.. the big game, and the local bands. The problem with a lot of the local gigs is too many restrictions on cameras in the venue, so producing a high budget feel with jib cranes and multiple manned cameras on stabilizers is out of the question.

I did a concert like that for a band that was opening up for an international act, and the theater only allowed us to have two cams, one in the balcony and one next to the FoH mixer. Bastards wouldn't even give me a feed from the mixer. That's okay though, because I probably got better sound with my two studio condenser mics on an ORTF configured stand.

It's rare that you get a local gig WITH the flexibility to have video dominate the nature of the concert. Most venues want the cameras to be still and invisible.
 
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Well, at least a few places seem to be willing to look at reels anyway, which is a positive step.

But yeah I'm not entirely sure, I think you may be right that a lot of times it's actually just the band that says they know a guy, etc.

I have two of those possible ins, not sure which is more promising, maybe at first the more unlikely one. Both come from the band I did the biggest video with -- they are still mostly together and doing well, won 3rd in a big competition and some nice cash, they are making new music, etc. Still unsigned. The other is from one of the members who quit that band, and he says their new band is in talks with a label and they think they'll be signed by year's end. He is interested in having me do a video for them, assuming they do indeed get to that point, so... that's my hope.

I just have to plug away because I have a very strong reel that I've spent a lot of time and money developing, so I think I should be able to get in the door and get a chance at it, at least!
 
Isn't it like everything else in art? Shouldn't you offer to work (essentially) for free? If you do two or three free gigs that might get you some connections. I assume that's what most people have done.

Or maybe go to a band's concert, get in good with one of the stage-hands (or club owner). Film the band's concert using multiple cameras, and then send them the video you created. That way they're getting a "free" music video for their song. And, alternatively, you can actually have the owner tell the band that they'll film the concert "free of charge" because he has an eager filmmaker who wants to shoot them. Seems like a pretty easy way to get your foot in the door (with a band).

Talk to promoters. Promoters are not unlike gods when it comes to connections (of all kinds).
 
If you work for free, they'll come out of the woodwork from every direction when the news that you work for free gets around, and everyone will expect you to do them 'just one favor' for free.
Now if I choose to make video of something for my own satisfaction, I do that. Sometimes I follow and act around town until they get to know me, as I become a regular at their concerts. In a rare instance, a band will need to make a DVD, and there I am. So far, I've done this once. It was not a lot of money, but they were very appreciative and did not abuse my generousity.
But to throw one's self on a doorstep and offer to work for free seems a real bad way to set a precident.
 
Isn't it like everything else in art? Shouldn't you offer to work (essentially) for free? If you do two or three free gigs that might get you some connections. I assume that's what most people have done.

Or maybe go to a band's concert, get in good with one of the stage-hands (or club owner). Film the band's concert using multiple cameras, and then send them the video you created. That way they're getting a "free" music video for their song. And, alternatively, you can actually have the owner tell the band that they'll film the concert "free of charge" because he has an eager filmmaker who wants to shoot them. Seems like a pretty easy way to get your foot in the door (with a band).

Talk to promoters. Promoters are not unlike gods when it comes to connections (of all kinds).

I thought I kind of addressed that...?

I'm WAY past that point, way, way, way past that point. I've done 4 videos for free, spent $20,000 of my own money making such videos, two of which have been selected to 25 festivals total, and I'm now a multiple-award-winning music video director. I put in my dues, haha. No more freebies for me!

The odds of an indie band actually making it, however, are pretty small, well no, very small, even in L.A. where they at least get recognized if they're good. So it's a total crapshoot if they'll go anywhere. You just have to hope your work is good enough. I don't think at this point band connections are going to help me much, I need record label connections, people who make decisions on this type of thing, maybe even I suppose a larger production company that'd be interested in having me be one of their directors, but it seems like that'd be tougher. Not really sure.

We'll see how the things I've got going pan out, but I'm sending out my reel to more labels, it can't hurt, doesn't cost me much or take much time, so it's worth a shot. I'm in this deep right?! lol ;)
 
We'll see how the things I've got going pan out, but I'm sending out my reel to more labels, it can't hurt, doesn't cost me much or take much time, so it's worth a shot. I'm in this deep right?! lol ;)

This has kinda always been my plan as well. I think unless you have connections to those high people in the labels, sending them your reel is the only other way in. Either that, or make a music video that makes it big on TV, and they'll come to you.

I'm building up my reel for this very purpose right now..

Let us know how it goes!
 
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I definitely will! I mean look it can't hurt to try. I'm not expecting to get rich making music videos anyway, honestly it's just something I enjoy and thought well it'd be fun if I could use the knowledge and experience I've gained to help signed bands.

I just don't have a lot of use in doing really low budget videos because what's the point? I mean really look at it from my perspective. I've directed 4 music videos, all of which I like for different reasons, with budgets (not including owned equipment, of which I own a LOT of!) between $1,800 and $10,000. If I were to do some little $800 video for a local band, filming them at their house or something myself, editing myself, you know, the one-man band thing, what would I gain? I'd make a few hundred bucks, which isn't going to help my life much, and I'd end up with a video that isn't at all useful to me.

I'd be happy to do a $10,000 video where I made just $200 for two weeks of work, for instance... why? Because at least I'd be like, 'Ok with that budget, we can do some cool stuff, I can have fun, and I can make something I'm proud to show off!' But with a tiny budget, not only do you make NO money, which is bad enough, but you get nothing out of it. No knowledge -- literally nothing to learn at all that I don't already know -- and no portfolio piece.

That's why I'm done directing music videos unless it's for a label. I've already shown off my skills, I'm very happy with how my work has been received, now it's either time to move on to bigger and better things or just other work entirely.
 
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Right, I agree with you 100%. It took a couple years of making very low budget band videos to realize it wasn't helping me at all. Well, it was a learning experience, but it's time to move on.

By the way, I have that book you mentioned... Making Music Videos.. good book!
 
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