How Many Skipped Premiere CS4 And are Waiting For CS5?

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EIREHotspur

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Are many people here in this camp?

I own CS3 Master Edition and what swung against CS4 for me was no genuine Blu-Ray Menu Creation....I mean proper sub picture navigation like on Casino Royale etc.

Premiere itself also didn't have enough ground breaking features to upgrade.

If CS5 has good enough features and the upgrade is reasonable (between 1200-1400 from CS3) Then I will upgrade to CS5 Master Edition.

I also need a new desktop....can anyone who owns a 64 bit operating system or is going to buy one share their experience/thoughts with me regarding using 64 Bit Windows?

Will CS5 take advantage of a new Dell with 64bit and 12-16 gigs of ram for editing?
 
Well thanks for that Mike.....it ebables me to plan well ahead for a change to 64bit Computing next year.

It is the right move by Adobe.....Video Editing needs RAM, RAM and more RAM.
 
I'm pondering an upgrade to CS4, but waiting for CS5 seems like a wise move.

Regarding Vista, this is one of two Microsoft products I truly despise (WinMobile is the other). I've had Vista on ONE computer at work and it blue-screened at least once a day. A truly horrible product that never should have gotten out of alpha testing. However...

Windows 7 is the exact opposite. At work, I've been using Win7 64 bit for months. It is EXCELLENT! Even in early Beta, I NEVER had a bluescreen. Win7 has excellent driver support too. So far, all my equipment is running fine. Besides stability, Win7 is FAST. WAY faster than Vista and even a bit faster than XP. And the UI is very clean and usable.

So that's the work 'puters. What about my own? I have two workstations and a server at home. All have been running XP for years. Now, I'm upgrading all of them to Win7 64 and all of the cost comes out of my own pocket.

Vista is a loser. Win7 is a winner.

Regards,

Dan.
 
Honestly, I can count on one hand the number of times my Vista computer has crashed, and most of those were not software related (a power surge messed with my computer for a week). It really has been rock solid for me. Of course... I built it and made sure everything was compatible, which probably explains why.

As such, I'm actually going to hold off on Win7 for a little while, even though I can get it cheap (some folks at the Redmond campus owe me some favors :) )
 
Interesting stuff Dan......what hoops do you ask Windows 7 to jump through?

Fraom what I read Microsoft have gone the oppisite way of Vista and less is more......they have gone away from every little utility they had built in popping up to help you with your computing.....Windows 7 sticks at being the engine that drives things and stays under the bonnet.

Glad they have finally started to put Vista out to pasture.....sisters PC and Nieces PCs have Vista and they are a right pain.

Now that Adobe are going 64bit my mind is made up.

Any idea when they are going to reveal some details on Cs5 Suite??
 
I think I read somewhere Adobe does a 18-24 month life between versions, and CS4 has been out for only a year... so maybe the summer or fall of next year?
 
I love Vista64 - it's been very, very good to me. I am looking forward to Win7 though...

As for CS4, it too has been great. I couldn't live without AME - that was worth the upgrade.

As for CS5, if you have come this far and don't feel like you're missing any of the features in CS4, then wait it out for CS5. If I had to guess...and I'm just guessing here...CS5 will probably be out around the time of NAB (April 2010). Or it may be announced then, and released a month or 2 after. We'll see though...but there is a lot to love about CS4!
 
EIREHotspur said:
Interesting stuff Dan......what hoops do you ask Windows 7 to jump through?

Fraom what I read Microsoft have gone the oppisite way of Vista and less is more......they have gone away from every little utility they had built in popping up to help you with your computing.....Windows 7 sticks at being the engine that drives things and stays under the bonnet.
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My current office workstation is decent with a Core 2 Quad processor, 8 GB of ram, two Western Digital VelociRaptor 150's, a two-disk raid 0 (striped) data drive running Win7 64.

I'm a software developer. Sometimes I'll have 10-20 windows open simultaneously, including Visual Studio, data modeling tools, spreadsheets (metadata), SQL Server (database) client tools, Outlook, multiple windows of Firefox and IE8, blah, blah... And with SQL Server (database server) running in the background.

Some of the software that I build pulls massive amounts of data. Win7 can handle all of this with no errors - no crashes, blue screens or hiccups. That said, some of the loads were too large when I only had 4Gb of memory. I got out of memory errors (even with a large swap disk). When I upgraded to 8Gb (max for my system), these went away.

With Win7, I believe that Microsoft has gotten back on track. The Vista video subsystem was horrible and is a primary cause of blue-screening. The Win7 video subsystem has been completely rewritten - it no longer copies video memory into system memory and is now multi-threaded (Vista is single-threaded).

While being somewhat different from the Mac UI, the Win7 UI shares many of the design philosophies - keep it simple and clean, and make commonly used features easy to get at. Also, the UI is highly tunable - you can modify it to suit you needs and tastes. For example, I'm hard-core - while I have a nice-looking desktop background, I have most of the pretty stuff (like transparent windows) turned off to improve speed.

Unlike Vista, which had security windows popping up in your face constantly, you can adjust Win7 security to suit your needs. You can remove virtually all of the popups, most of them, some of them, or have you're computer very locked down to show all of them. Your choice.

The whole concept of "Libraries" is new. Think of them as "Favorites" for your commonly used file folders. I just started exploring them, but I've got a couple for key code folders, and one for project documentation. Even though the folders are actually subfolders buried about 6 levels deep in the folder structure, it only takes two clicks to get to them - click "Libraries" and then the project folder. It saves me lots of time.

There are lots of tiny features that make a big difference. For example, when I set up a project, I create a set of sub-folders that are logical for that project. With XP (and Vista, I believe), I had to navigate to parent folder in Windows Explorer, move the mouse over to the right panel, right click, and select "New Folder". With Win7, you simply select the parent folder and click "New Folder" on the button bar. Doesn't sound like much? Try creating a complex project with a couple dozen sub-folders! This little feature saves me lots of time and clicking.

Win7 isn't perfect. I still have to hunt for some system admin things there were easy to find before. But 90% of the time, it's much easier to use than XP. Unlike Vista and to some extent XP, Win7's benefits are major and its warts are very minor.

Regards,

Dan.
 
First to address the issue of 64-bit. You are safe to go 64-bit at this point. Most consumer systems have been sold as 64-bit for quite a while now, even those pre made ones at Best Buy. Driver and software support is very mature, and all 32 bit apps work. I've been 64-bit for over a year now and not a single 64-bit related issue, on any software, including Adobe CS4.

Second, Windows Vista 64-bit was actually pretty solid after all the updates (that were way overdue) AND if running on higher end hardware. Far from perfect, but nowehere near as bad as it was at launch. The problem was it sucked for over an entire year due to lack of software and driver support, numerous stability issues, and people running it on older or under powered hardware.

That said, Windows 7 blows doors on Vista. It fixes all the things that weren't good (UAC, system overheard, HDD usage, video subsystem... the list goes on). It's also much more stable and the driver/software support is very mature even at launch, since it is based on the underlying Vista architecture and had a very long beta period. Further, while Vista ran well on higher end hardware but necessitated that you have a more modern system to get decent performance, Win7 runs great on old systems with even 1gb of RAM. Better than XP, even.


The choice is easy. Windows 7 64-bit with Adobe CS5 would be a great match.

CS4 underwhelmed me. The biggest thing I want from Premiere CS5 is more stablility, better handling of very large projects, better partial render support, and the matching of a handful of Final Cut features that are long overdue. If they can bring it up to Final Cut standards in those areas, namely speed/stability with larger or more complex products and add some features, I find Premiere to be a better interface and experience overall than what Apple offers. Especially when you consider the cross-app integration with Photoshop, AE, Illustrator, and Flash.

Oh, and I'd like to see OpenCL/CUDA support.
 
The only main reason to not switch to a 64-bit OS at this point is if you have older hardware that does not have 64 bit drivers. The painful part currently is switching to 64 bit software if you reply on older 32 bit plug ins that are not compatible. Even running 32 bit apps, there is a huge RAM advantage if you want to run (for instance) Premiere, AME, and AE all at the same time... they each can have 4GB available.
 
I agree with filmguy123. I personally prefer premiere to final cut.

I'm using a Mac Pro on Leopard 10.5.8 for editing/motion graphics and will only get final cut when I need to edit for other agencies or have other editors using my edit suite.

Premiere CS4 is really reliable on mac and has come a very long way over the last few years. Version 1.5 felt to me like the kiddies version of avid or final cut but now CS4 can do almost (but not everything) as the others.

Was using CS2 on XP than went to Mac and now use CS4. I find everything to be much better laid out and simpler to work with, less fighting more creating.

I'd say if you do simpler editing with less fx CS4 (not sure what it is like on Windows) is great on mac but if you do lots of After Effects work CS5 would be excellent for the ram but to notice any differences you would need to have a fairly impressive system. I.e If you had a basic home computer with 2gb ram the 64-bit upgrade would be as useful as giving a monkey a dictionary to read.
 
I´m a beta tester for CS5 (not the whole suite).

They took us into the process much earlier than usual, so we where able to suggest many functions and stuff, also contribute to streamline the workflow between the Adobe programs and the workflow with other devices.

We did (and still do) our very best to tell them what a filmmaker needs.

And I´m surprised how good they respond.
It´s not that you want a function and there you have it in the next release,
but if it makes sense to everyone and is possible to implement, they do it.

The implementation of Video for Windows was less then stellar in CS4 and guys like
David Newman (Cineform) had much "coding fun" to make sure the plugins work properly again.

But CS5 will be pretty cool, from what I saw so far.


Frank
 
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I may be migrating over to CS4 on the Mac simply because I have to teach it next year and I get it if the school upgrades, otherwise I'll be on CS2 for Mac or the new FCE. Then again I can get an Acad version of CS5 suite for pretty cheap.

-Nate
 
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The implementation of Video for Windows was less then stellar in CS4 and guys like David Newman (Cineform) had much "coding fun" to make sure the plugins work properly again.
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Yeah, I've been following the DVInfo Cineform boards... wasn't the original release date for ProspectHD v4 supposed to be a year ago?


But CS5 will be pretty cool, from what I saw so far.


Frank
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Very much looking forward to it.
 
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