How do two different framerates co-exist on the timeline?

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Apologies for the following:
- If this has been posted before
- The noobish nature of the question

I have a feature I'm editing, and it has a few different framerates (mostly 24p, but some 60i for slo-mo and even a scene shot in 30p). Now, I'm somewhat familiar with the "interpret footage" tool, but that simply tells the project to play the clip at whatever rate you want, whilst still playing back at the project settings framerate (IE 30p project, interpret a clip at 60i, plays twice as fast).

My question is, how can I have the different rates play truly together on one timeline sequence? If I have a 24p project, and I import a 30p or a 60i clip, the project thinks they're also 24p clips. If I tell the project to interpret them as 30p or 60i, it will treat them as such, but still play them back at 24fps.

I feel like I'm missing something REALLY simple...
 
mostly 24p, but some 60i for slo-mo and even a scene shot in 30p
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you are missing somethings,

i will just clarify something, 60i means 30 frames/sec using an interlaced way.

one other thing,

there is a timeline rate, that means if you set the timeline to 24 frames per sec, there will be only 24 frames per sec. no matter what happens, one one frame rate for the timeline can be applied.
if you put:

24fps -> 24fps

30fps -> option 1 -> realtime (24fps) - that means the software will try to playback the footage as if it were 24fps, and wil blend some frames to do so. the footage will look as if it is realtime but with some artifacts.

30fps -> option 2 -> slowed down(24fps) - that means the software will stretch the 30 fps on the 24 fps
to playback the footage as if it is slowed down. that means no artifacts and the footage is in slow motion(80% the normal speed).
 
They don't. All footages on a timeline is automatically playback at that framerate regardless of their original framerate.
 
I appreciate the help, but you guys are just repeating what I've already posted. I know I can play 30fps on a 24p timeline, but it gives me that frame blending thing - when it comes to exporting the whole thing as one big clip (since it's a feature and I don't want it broken up), Adobe is going to ask me at what framerate I'd like to export as. Since part of it is in 30p, what's going to happen if I export as 24?
 
If you export 30p as 24p for real-time, you will get strobing, and ghosting around moving objects -- and the more motion there is, the worse it will be. Depending on exactly how you export it (as, say, DV), you may see interlace artifacts, too.
 
ok, so the consensus is, as far as I can tell: I'm screwed. I can't export one large clip that consists of 24p and 30p footage? Really?
 
don't ask about detailed instructions,

for other members that can stumble upon your thread, you can add multiple files to different chapters with different settings in some files(containers). i really don't know any user friendly way to do this. but it can be done with some files, but the result will vary depending on the playback application.

it's available for dvd video, and a couple of digital files played on some video player applications(mov, and divx are one of the containers that can do that)
 
I would assume you would need to run the 30p footage through a converter BEFORE bringing it into your timeline. Do a search for 24p conversion utilities. You'll have to pay to get a decent one I would presume. You can interpret your 60p (assuming that was a typo and you are actually shooting 60p and not 60i) to either 24p or possibly at 30p, then run it through the conversion utility to go to 24p.
 
I'm shooting standard def. on the HVX, and 60i is the only framerate available above 30p without using the P2 card.
I have read about the ability to load different framerates for dvd video - is there a way to format dvd authoring through premiere? Or rather, adobe's media encoder?
Also, I was thinking: Say I export my 24p stuff as one clip and my 30p as another, what if I went into a less specific program, something like Creative Studio or Windows Moviemaker and simply arranged the 24 next to the 30 and exported? As far as I can remember, moviemaker doesn't get crazy-specific with framerates, but I could be wrong...
 
it would depend on the dvd player, some dvd players might lag a bit (maybe up to more than a sec of black or might flicker or do whatever, it won't exactly play as if it was a smooth playback of one file)
 
wildfly said:
I would assume you would need to run the 30p footage through a converter BEFORE bringing it into your timeline. Do a search for 24p conversion utilities. You'll have to pay to get a decent one I would presume. You can interpret your 60p (assuming that was a typo and you are actually shooting 60p and not 60i) to either 24p or possibly at 30p, then run it through the conversion utility to go to 24p.
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Doesn't matter when you do it; 30p will not make a good conversion to 24p.

Maybe the better thing to do overall is to edit everything on a DV (60i) timeline. Then you can export it all as NTSC (60i); the 24p will look like 24p and the 30p will look like 30p.

You won't be able to make a 24p DVD, though. And if you shot 24pA and not 24p standard, you may run into some slight strobing issues (MIGHT). But it'll look better than the 30p converted to 24p.
 
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