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stevesherrick
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What questions do you have? I use Pro Tools, Nuendo, Bias Peak, etc.
Steve
Steve
stevesherrick
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I started on Pro Tools. Used a Mix Plus TDM system with Pro Control and that was a cool system. Now they've got even better systems which I will continue to use in freelance situations. Pro Tools is great for post production. I don't do music, so I can't comment on its music strengths and weaknesses. I have a Pro Tools LE system at home and although limited when compared to TDM system can still do some good stuff.
Nuendo took some time to get used to because I was a Pro Tools guy, but I'm getting more comfortable with it. I have a Nuendo system in my home studio. The newest version seems to have made some improvements and it's getting more post oriented. I would highly recommend www.nuendo-post.com if you are curious to check out who's using it and what their experiences have been like. A lot more movies are using it. If you start off with Nuendo and learn it in depth you will probably be very happy. If you are coming from pro Tools background, you'll need to give yourself some time to get used to it.
Either program is very capable of getting quality soundtracks for your projects.I find that I can do quick, basic mixes in Final Cut Pro when I need to, but the advantages of going to a DAW are huge. For $500 you can get an MBox that comes with Pro Tools LE software, giving you 32 tracks of audio and some decent plugins. For about $1200 you can get a Digi002 rack which gives you a lot more in terms of I/O. And then if you want to have even more control, get a Digi002 which comes with the control surface for abot $2000. Getting into a TDM system is almost impossible for the independents with very little capital. A good system will run you at least 20K and if you start to add all the bells and whistles you could easily surpass 50-60K.
If you need more capability than what Pro Tools LE offers, consider going with Nuendo. Software is 2K, good interface 1K. control surface 1K, speakers 1K. So for $5000 you can get a pretty kick ass system. For 20K you'll be really smoking.
So, it comes down to price point really. If you need lots of power, Nuendo will probably give you more bang for your buck. If you just need an entry level system for getting basic mixes down, then either one would work.
Hope this helps.
Steve
Nuendo took some time to get used to because I was a Pro Tools guy, but I'm getting more comfortable with it. I have a Nuendo system in my home studio. The newest version seems to have made some improvements and it's getting more post oriented. I would highly recommend www.nuendo-post.com if you are curious to check out who's using it and what their experiences have been like. A lot more movies are using it. If you start off with Nuendo and learn it in depth you will probably be very happy. If you are coming from pro Tools background, you'll need to give yourself some time to get used to it.
Either program is very capable of getting quality soundtracks for your projects.I find that I can do quick, basic mixes in Final Cut Pro when I need to, but the advantages of going to a DAW are huge. For $500 you can get an MBox that comes with Pro Tools LE software, giving you 32 tracks of audio and some decent plugins. For about $1200 you can get a Digi002 rack which gives you a lot more in terms of I/O. And then if you want to have even more control, get a Digi002 which comes with the control surface for abot $2000. Getting into a TDM system is almost impossible for the independents with very little capital. A good system will run you at least 20K and if you start to add all the bells and whistles you could easily surpass 50-60K.
If you need more capability than what Pro Tools LE offers, consider going with Nuendo. Software is 2K, good interface 1K. control surface 1K, speakers 1K. So for $5000 you can get a pretty kick ass system. For 20K you'll be really smoking.
So, it comes down to price point really. If you need lots of power, Nuendo will probably give you more bang for your buck. If you just need an entry level system for getting basic mixes down, then either one would work.
Hope this helps.
Steve
Jeremy Ordan
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brianluce said:
Vegas has the benefit of having the framework that Sonic Foundry did with Sound Forge implemented in a stripped down fashion. I personally do all my audio seperately in protools or my composition in Cubase... Just preferences.
When it comes to any audio set up it comes down to comfort level. Whatever you spend the most time with and experiment with will yield the best results for your style. At the end of the day it all comes down to what you are doing.
As someone who edits in Vegas this is my general workflow. I record my music (if I'm writing it) in Cubase. I lay out everything in Vegas and export individual audio tracks in WAV or AIFF format (mac vs. PC). From this point I drop everything into ProTools for my leveling and first stage mastering. At this point I export again into Sound Forge because I love Sound Forge's Graphic EQ. From this point I get my levels corrected in ProTools. At this point I bring everything into Vegas and watch once through monitors. If everything works out well I export that as Take 1. Then I watch again through computer speakers. I rebalance, raising all my lows and lowering all my highs. Computer speakers do not do well with these ranges as they are not dynamic speakers. Then I render out again as Take 2. Take 2 is then converted into a web formate and Take 1 is my project ready to be burnt to a DVD.
I know this is a long explanation, but I came from the music side and some habits are hard to break. I have a friend who produces music for a living and he is still stuck in the day of using Wavelab 1.01 for all his mixdowns because that is what he grew accustomed to. It all comes down to personal preference, so experiment.
stevesherrick
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I have never used Vegas because I'm on the Mac, but I'm sure it can do a lot of things these other DAW can do, but like Yankee says it comes down to where you are comfortable working and which tools get certain parts of the job done better. There are also other considerations too, such as a term called summing which is basically when you take all your tracks and mix it down into an output stage such as a stereo mix. Some would say that Nuendo does a better job than Pro Tools in this regard, but all of that is subject to debate. What really matters for you right now is to find a tool that gets the job done for you in a way that you are happy with the results. If you work in Vegas and you are happy with the mixes you are making, than maybe you just stick with that until you need to change.
Steve
Steve
Jeremy Ordan
Major Contributor
The level control in Vegas is just not something I like to play around with. While I do believe that Vegas is good for editing, in fact when it comes to 24p footage I will take the Pepsi challenge with it any day of the week, having come from an audio / music production background there are certain pieces of software that I prefer to work in.
I like being hands on with my audio. I want the waveform to take up the entire screen and I want the application to be designed to work around that waveform. If SoundForge were completely implemented into Vegas, yeah, I would do everything in there (except for composition, that I use Cubase for... less tempermental than ProTools).
This is the best way to explain it. When I get up in the morning first thing I do is sit down on the toilet and smoke a cigarette. When I am half way through my cigarette, but still on the toilet I shave. I then drop the cigarette in the toilet, turn on the shower, I get in the shower, dry off, brush my teeth, get dressed, check email, walk my dog, and then leave for work.
I could do these things in another order, but it is my routine and I like it. Same thing for audio. For every person there is a workflow routine that works best for them.
Here's another thing. I love doing titles for projects. Even when something is in preproduction I start working and laying out the titles in Vegas. I just like playing around with all the keytracking and things like that. But, the way my mind works, I first need to lay out some music. So I'll knock something out and drop it into Vegas and work on my keyframes. Then when I get something I like, I will go back and adjust the music in order for it to work better with the titles. It's like going around your ass to get to your elbow. I like doing it this way though.
Experiment, my friend... Find out what works best for you as far as programs.
I like being hands on with my audio. I want the waveform to take up the entire screen and I want the application to be designed to work around that waveform. If SoundForge were completely implemented into Vegas, yeah, I would do everything in there (except for composition, that I use Cubase for... less tempermental than ProTools).
This is the best way to explain it. When I get up in the morning first thing I do is sit down on the toilet and smoke a cigarette. When I am half way through my cigarette, but still on the toilet I shave. I then drop the cigarette in the toilet, turn on the shower, I get in the shower, dry off, brush my teeth, get dressed, check email, walk my dog, and then leave for work.
I could do these things in another order, but it is my routine and I like it. Same thing for audio. For every person there is a workflow routine that works best for them.
Here's another thing. I love doing titles for projects. Even when something is in preproduction I start working and laying out the titles in Vegas. I just like playing around with all the keytracking and things like that. But, the way my mind works, I first need to lay out some music. So I'll knock something out and drop it into Vegas and work on my keyframes. Then when I get something I like, I will go back and adjust the music in order for it to work better with the titles. It's like going around your ass to get to your elbow. I like doing it this way though.
Experiment, my friend... Find out what works best for you as far as programs.
Dave_Fisk
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I'm a pro tools guy. I love it. I use it every day. I've used Nuendo, but I don't know it like I know pro tools, so I can't talk all that intelligently about it.
What I will say is this:
With Pro Tools you are basically using external devices to make your system be powerful. With Nuendo, you are using your computer. I don't trust computers at all, and I'd rather have external boxes be responsible than my computer. Although Nuendo can run on a Mac, I have had many people say they prefer to use it on a PC. Well....I trust PC's even less than I trust the government. So, that's why I stick with pro tools.
-Dave
What I will say is this:
With Pro Tools you are basically using external devices to make your system be powerful. With Nuendo, you are using your computer. I don't trust computers at all, and I'd rather have external boxes be responsible than my computer. Although Nuendo can run on a Mac, I have had many people say they prefer to use it on a PC. Well....I trust PC's even less than I trust the government. So, that's why I stick with pro tools.
-Dave
Jeremy Ordan
Major Contributor
Dave_Fisk said:
If you can afford a complete TDM system, then it is hard to argue against pro tools for the power of editing. It is very fluid and user friendly once you climb the learning curve.