Hiding Tram in Tie Knot
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Rippie
Veteran
not a good idea at all to use a side address mic in a tie.
Use a top address.. IE: sanken cos-11 countryman b-6...etc.
If i HAD to use a tram on a suit..
i'd probably go under the collar using a vampire and pray
its not a super tight fitting collar around the neck.
Some people have luck putting a side address inside the actual fabric of the tie. (the opening at the bottom)
I'd tried that just a few times and the noise was unacceptable to me.
I exclusively use in a tieknot..
a sanken wrapped in moleskin and joe's sticky stuff wrapped around the moleskin so it sits
perfectly still inside the knot.
Use a top address.. IE: sanken cos-11 countryman b-6...etc.
If i HAD to use a tram on a suit..
i'd probably go under the collar using a vampire and pray
its not a super tight fitting collar around the neck.
Some people have luck putting a side address inside the actual fabric of the tie. (the opening at the bottom)
I'd tried that just a few times and the noise was unacceptable to me.
I exclusively use in a tieknot..
a sanken wrapped in moleskin and joe's sticky stuff wrapped around the moleskin so it sits
perfectly still inside the knot.
MontrealAudio
Active member
on this note, Ive faced some contact noise lately with some of my top address AT lavs. Normally we use the triangle duct tape on either side of the mic head in order to secure it to both the skin and the clothing. However this method has not been working out too well lately. Any tips?
Rippie
Veteran
when you say contact noise,
is it clothing hitting the top of the capsule?
Or clothing noise in general? (not the mic coming into contact but clothing on clothing)
There is no one trick fits all in the art of hiding lav's.
Without more details i'll just be general in saying:
- first try to place the mic where it can ride on the body without hitting any clothing at all, such as in cleavage..etc.
- a lot of times less is more. Elaborate rigs can sometimes cause more problems than solve. :IE: cage's, triangles with tape on both sides..etc..etc.
Not saying this is always the case, but I find more often than not cutting a rectangle of moleskin placing the mic so the capsule sits right on the edge and either taping it to the skin or clothing works great. Very important is to put another piece of strong tape about 1 to 2 inches below the mic for a strain relief. It will help deaden a LOT of the cable noise.
There are just too many different ways you need to be prepared in
every kind of clothing you can come across to write about them all here,
but every single different type of clothing has a different solution than another.
is it clothing hitting the top of the capsule?
Or clothing noise in general? (not the mic coming into contact but clothing on clothing)
There is no one trick fits all in the art of hiding lav's.
Without more details i'll just be general in saying:
- first try to place the mic where it can ride on the body without hitting any clothing at all, such as in cleavage..etc.
- a lot of times less is more. Elaborate rigs can sometimes cause more problems than solve. :IE: cage's, triangles with tape on both sides..etc..etc.
Not saying this is always the case, but I find more often than not cutting a rectangle of moleskin placing the mic so the capsule sits right on the edge and either taping it to the skin or clothing works great. Very important is to put another piece of strong tape about 1 to 2 inches below the mic for a strain relief. It will help deaden a LOT of the cable noise.
There are just too many different ways you need to be prepared in
every kind of clothing you can come across to write about them all here,
but every single different type of clothing has a different solution than another.
Warlock,
I haven't done it with a tram, but I've done it with my B6's many times. What I will usually do is run it out the front of their shirt and tape it up the back of the tie and slide it into the knot. The tape up the back usually secures it sufficiently that I don't have to do anything to it inside the knot. This works for scenes where the talent is moving around wildly.
Hope this helps.
Phil
I haven't done it with a tram, but I've done it with my B6's many times. What I will usually do is run it out the front of their shirt and tape it up the back of the tie and slide it into the knot. The tape up the back usually secures it sufficiently that I don't have to do anything to it inside the knot. This works for scenes where the talent is moving around wildly.
Hope this helps.
Phil
berniebeaudry
Well-known member
Its sometimes really difficult to get away from clothing noise when it comes to a suit and tie situation. The inner lining of the jacket rubs on the stiff dress shirt and/or the beard stubble rubs on the tight collar. If there is no jacket then its a little easier.
With the mic you have I would avoid putting it under the collar. You will have the mic out in open air if you place it right, but I've never felt the sound way up there was very good sounding and for sure you will get beard scratch.
With the TR50 I've gone between the layers of the tie and wasn't thrilled with that either but it was better. You have to be careful with strain relief and making sure clothing doesn't move around too much.
Here is what I would do if you really want to do the tie knot thing. Hopefully the tie has some dark colors in the pattern and your mic is black. Get the mic out from the bottom of the knot and secure it with the vampire clip. The mic will be facing down with the cable going up into the knot. If the mic is as close to the bottom of the knot as possible and ends up on a dark color you may not be able to see it very easily. If you are bent on getting it into the knot do the same thing except put it up farther into the knot.
This is important: Make sure the screen part of the mic capsule is facing inward on the clip so the back side of the mic is against any fabric the mic may touch. Its an omni mic so it shouldn't make too much difference in sound. I always mount my Sonotrims (same form factor as Trams) that way even if exposed because they don't reflect the light as much that way and look better on camera as a result. Under clothing its imperative to do it that way because fabric will make more noise on the screen part of the mic.
Put a tie on someone or yourself and practice before your shoot.
Hope this helps.
Bernie
With the mic you have I would avoid putting it under the collar. You will have the mic out in open air if you place it right, but I've never felt the sound way up there was very good sounding and for sure you will get beard scratch.
With the TR50 I've gone between the layers of the tie and wasn't thrilled with that either but it was better. You have to be careful with strain relief and making sure clothing doesn't move around too much.
Here is what I would do if you really want to do the tie knot thing. Hopefully the tie has some dark colors in the pattern and your mic is black. Get the mic out from the bottom of the knot and secure it with the vampire clip. The mic will be facing down with the cable going up into the knot. If the mic is as close to the bottom of the knot as possible and ends up on a dark color you may not be able to see it very easily. If you are bent on getting it into the knot do the same thing except put it up farther into the knot.
This is important: Make sure the screen part of the mic capsule is facing inward on the clip so the back side of the mic is against any fabric the mic may touch. Its an omni mic so it shouldn't make too much difference in sound. I always mount my Sonotrims (same form factor as Trams) that way even if exposed because they don't reflect the light as much that way and look better on camera as a result. Under clothing its imperative to do it that way because fabric will make more noise on the screen part of the mic.
Put a tie on someone or yourself and practice before your shoot.
Hope this helps.
Bernie