Here's a thing. . .form factor ?

Jade Lane said:
didn't most of the 5dMk2 sales go to people using the camera for Video ?
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Maybe on this board most of the people are buying 5Ds for video, but I would bet that the majority of DSLR sales for any model are to people looking to shoot stills.
 
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Jade Lane said:
I don't think the majority of independent film makers using DSLR's are that interested in taking still pictures, didn't most of the 5dMk2 sales go to people using the camera for Video, if that was the case wouldn't it make sense for the 5dMk3 to look more like a Video Camera with the Stills option as secondary ?
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Yes, and that is called C300. The 5D is and will stay a photo camera. And with the C300 out now I wouldn´t hold my breath to the 5D making many efforts in becoming a videocamera.
 
alpi69 said:
Yes, and that is called C300. The 5D is and will stay a photo camera. And with the C300 out now I wouldn´t hold my breath to the 5D making many efforts in becoming a videocamera.
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Yeah, I would agree with this. The 5DIII will always be a bridge camera, and as such, like any DSLR, will be compromised for video - not to protect the pro video division, but to assert it's place in the professional photographer's tool bag.
 
alpi69 said:
Yes, and that is called C300. The 5D is and will stay a photo camera. And with the C300 out now I wouldn´t hold my breath to the 5D making many efforts in becoming a videocamera.
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I don't think so ! , you really think existing 5DMk2 owners have all got £12,000.00 to drop on a camera that will be old hat in 2/3 years ???

Why do you think the 5DMk2 was a choice for a lot of people in the first place, because it was affordable !
 
I do not want a solid smooth squarish camera with reflective surface for a camera. No thank you. Apple is fine where it is.
 
The DSLR is not too far off. But XLRs are a must. Holding it on the side is, to me, more comfortable. That lens is interchangeable.

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On the other side, we need easy-to-turn controls for the biggies: frame-rate, shutter-speed, ISO, and audio level. The rest (white balance, black balance, curves, etc.) can be deferred to the leisure of post-production. Just don't crowd out the important controls. I keep coming back to a jog-shuttle wheel for frame rate and shutter. The outer ring is shutter angle. The jog wheel goes through frame rates (preferably 1-60, or more) one step at a time. A flip-out LCD can display all the necessary readings.

Deciding between shoulder mount and handheld is tough. I can understand those who like the shoulder mount, but to me the smaller size outweighs its benefits. Stability can be achieved just by holding it against your chest.

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Plus, it has all the other advantages of portability, a wider degree of flexibility in camera angles, getting into situations where a shoulder mount would draw too much attention to yourself. And especially when dealing with non-actors, the shoulder-mount has an eerie similarity to someone holding a gun at you. Meantime, the handycam lends itself to a position that's almost like bowing to your subject. Much less intimidating.

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I for one, can't wait to see how the Aaton Penelope turns out (all-digital now I believe, I think they abandoned the hybrid idea). If they can nail the 'filmic' feel and quality that Arri have with Alexa, but combine it with their trademark ergonomics, I think we'll have ourselves a lovely camera to shoot with.
 
Jade Lane said:
I don't think so ! , you really think existing 5DMk2 owners have all got £12,000.00 to drop on a camera that will be old hat in 2/3 years ???

Why do you think the 5DMk2 was a choice for a lot of people in the first place, because it was affordable !
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Well first of all I don´t think the C300 will be an old hat. From what we saw so far it produces one of the best HD images and since HD is far from being saturated on the market (heck even the NFL shows SD 4:3 images a lot of times) it will work fine alongside much more expensive cameras.

I didn´t say I expect all 5D owners to step up to the C300. But I don´t believe Canon will go long ways towards filmers with it. They might add a headphonejack, but that is about it. They won´t add variable frame rates, XLR-inputs, SDI-outputs, time codes and probably won´t add C-LOG. They also won´t have a 422-codec onboard; so you can maybe go HDMI-external (but then again in 8-bit like the C300).

The 5D sold due to filming capabilities, sure, but I would like to know how much was the percentage for buyers for filming only? 25%? 35%?
 
alpi69 said:
I didn´t say I expect all 5D owners to step up to the C300. But I don´t believe Canon will go long ways towards filmers with it. They might add a headphonejack, but that is about it. They won´t add variable frame rates, XLR-inputs, SDI-outputs, time codes and probably won´t add C-LOG. They also won´t have a 422-codec onboard; so you can maybe go HDMI-external (but then again in 8-bit like the C300).
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Agreed. Canon is appeasing both their profit and their high end customers (and cowpunk ;} ) by tiering the market, regardless of what is feasible technologically.

alpi69 said:
The 5D sold due to filming capabilities, sure, but I would like to know how much was the percentage for buyers for filming only? 25%? 35%?
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I would think it to be less than 25%, if you solely based the numbers on people that bought it for video purposes mainly. Many of the people that bought it for video factored in the photo side of things as well, so a chunk of the 'video' sales were actually hybrid sales by people looking for a photography camera as well, and would have bought another DSLR even if they bought a dedicated video camera. Since Canon sells both video cameras and dslr's, this could be considered a loss to them.
 
The more important issue: because cameras are no longer heavy, I actually have to go and do some sort of real exercise to keep from withering away.

Sweet.
 
That's why I gaff tape a few hundred feet of film or a an old vtr to the camera.
 
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The real question is... What are you willing to pay for a digital A-minima ?

My guess is that anything that is an elegant solution is going to be in the Canon C-300 price range and up.
 
Greg Smith said:
You just need to buy a bigger tripod to bring the total weight back up.

- Greg
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You know what's weird? I used a big beefy fluid head under a PL Mounted GH2 and it was actually just right for the application. Always thought that there was no point in getting a really solid one, but there's even more merit to it IMO.

Can't avoid it: a really good set will be good for any camera you get.
 
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