I have a sony A1E 65 inch tv and Netflix defaults to HDR without giving me the option to turn it off. Does anyone else feel like HDR on tv sets is just not ready?Im trying to watch haunting of hill house again at night with all the lights off and i cant see anything. I try to watch on my phone and oh my the cinematography is spot on. Should i downgrade to a non hdr?
HDR on TV's are trash?
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Run&Gun
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Does your Sony have (dynamic) tone mapping for HDR? I had to turn it off on my LG HU85, because it made the content too dark. Also, is it a built-in app or through something like AppleTV? I've found that the built-in apps(at least on my projector and OLED) look better and are more vivid than through external devices.
Batutta
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HDR on my projection is a giant pain in the ass. There's just no consistency. I have to change all my settings for every other movie. And I don't feel a dramatic benefit over SDR, although that's due to projectors not being able to match the peak brightness of panel displays.
This is exactly what i mean. Netflix has dolby vision in some shows and my TV doesn't have enough NITS for that. Im honestly looking into just getting a 4k streaming device from 2017 that dont have HDR support.
filmguy123
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I’ve never had an issue but I have the newest Vizio quantum X models with plenty or brightness and HDR is great, never have to change settings and always prefer it.
If it’s not just a hardware deficiency, Could this be something With your streaming box settings and TV calibration? On my TV I have to turn on UHD color in an input menu, for example. And on some TVs you have to be on a picture profile setup for UHD/HDR.
It almost sounds like you’re displaying HDR content with the screen set to an SDR mode... when that happens things tend to look wither overall dark, or washed out, or both. I’d play Detective with your pipeline first because I’ve had nothing but good things to say on HDR.
If it’s not just a hardware deficiency, Could this be something With your streaming box settings and TV calibration? On my TV I have to turn on UHD color in an input menu, for example. And on some TVs you have to be on a picture profile setup for UHD/HDR.
It almost sounds like you’re displaying HDR content with the screen set to an SDR mode... when that happens things tend to look wither overall dark, or washed out, or both. I’d play Detective with your pipeline first because I’ve had nothing but good things to say on HDR.
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Rec709 plasma, baby!
Run&Gun
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Honestly, I'm glad my OLED and Laser Projector don't fully hit the peak NITS specced for HDR, even though they are both "HDR" (my LG OLED is Dolby Vision and HDR10). Mary Mother of God, your retinas would be fried. Even with my projector, when a scene in a movie/show has a peak(flash of light, explosion, etc.) it verges on painful and my OLED really does hurt. And again, neither of these displays come anywhere close to the several thousand NITS specced for HDR.
My experience from Blu-ray UHD HDR, which is the best source for HDR movies, is it isn't worth it to get UHD versions over regular Blu-ray versions. It's a little bit better at most. From a collectors standpoint I see reason to purchase UHD Blu-ray but not for the HDR or increased resolution over 1080p.
Batutta
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I found it depends on the movie. I can see a noticeable resolution and color difference on Ready Player One in UHD vs the Blu-Ray. I have a 4k projector and a 10 foot screen, so maybe it's not as perceptible on a smaller screen. The sound is marginally better as well. I recently got the original 4k remastered Star Wars movies in UHD, and I can't tell much difference in PQ between the UHD and the blu-ray that it comes with.
jonpais
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All OLED TVs absolutely do have enough nits for Dolby Vision. First of all, consumer OLED televisions are used by post production houses as consumer reference displays to judge how the final grade will appear to the target audience. Dolby Vision carries metadata to map brightness and color gamut to the end user's display so it will look good on a display with fewer than 1,000 nits. Many shows mastered in DV, like Mindhunter, have very few scenes in which peak brightness exceeds even 600 nits. Even the Canon production monitor used on the sets of shows like Ozark only displays 600 nits maximum. Not even the reference grading monitor used to grade most high end productions was able to attain 1,000 nits full screen. No question, 680 nits is enough to appreciate HDR content. HDR looked sensational on my C7 and even better on my CX. It looks great on my iPhone 12 Pro Max too. Not sure what all this talk about HDR looking like trash is about! Even a show like 6 Underground, where HDR is turned up to the max, looks sensational on the CX, which has around the same brightness as the Sony. And as someone else said, even 680 nits can just about blind a person sitting in a dark room, as many scenes in 6 Underground manage to do. Dolby Vision specifies the following for previewing (not for grading! LOL): LG OLED C8/C9 (2018-2019 Model), LG OLED CX (2020 Model), Sony OLED A9F/A9G, Panasonic OLED GZ1000/GZ2000. None of us know what your television settings are, what conditions you are viewing under, whether your display has been calibrated or not, which phone it is you are talking about and how it is set up, whether you are watching in DV on the phone, not to mention that one cannot pass judgement on all of HDR and HDR televisions based on just one television show - and not just any show, but the darkest one on all of Netflix! I think we can all agree that would be totally bizarre. The OP doesn't even bother to reply to several forum members who ask legitimate questions about the television settings. If someone wants to be taken seriously, they've got to do better than just say that one picture looked dark to them and without any other pertinent information, to make the bold claim that HDR televisions are trash.
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