HD DVD sales not good

The 200gb discs are done! Finalized, finito, that holographic stuff is something an average consumer would NEVER get into. Something thats being shilled RIGHT now for consumers are the HD-DVD and Blu-Ray stuff, and Blu-Ray needs to win out so we can get this soon.
 
Yeah but can the change the name? hvd sounds to much like hdv.
How about OPP.... Yeah you know me
Other Peoples Profits, that is
Jason
 
Cynic821 said:
A good point i made on the GFaq's boards after reading an IGN blog, was that 360's are failing faster and faster now, breaking down near this 1 year mark, and without a warranty from a 3rd party, especially launch systems, you need to ship back to MS and wait 3 to 4 weeks to get a new one back on top of paying shipping and 140 bucks to fix it., so if more and more system begin to break getting closer to the launch of the PS3, word is going to spread, i mean it already has. People i know that dont have a 360 always ask me this question first : Did it break yet? And i unsuprisingly answer , YES.

Also these people who have had their 360 break on them, instead of shipping it back and plunking another 140 bucks and the wiat on one, will probably opt to switch to the PS3 and junk the 360 stuff theyved already bought for some cash to help pay for it.

IMO, owning every system at the time of the release is crucial to my existance, and only true gamers actually get all the systems, lifes to short to miss out on any one experience over a few dollars. Metal Gear is worht it alone for the price of admission. But ya, thats something i think to take a look at, people whos 360's break close to the PS3, and whether they ship em back or not. MS says 3%, IGN has it pegged at 50%!!!!
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What is it you have against the Xbox 360... you seem to be putting a halo around the playstation brand... I recall the PS2 having a great deal of problems reading DVD's.. an breaking as well back at launch.

Things get ironed out. I would say that the PS3 will have issues as well.

"Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed.."
 
FlintMI said:
Sony's record of publicly accepted propriety formats has been dismal. I think they've failed on almost everyone. Even when they were good/better than the competition, they failed.

Betamax
UMD
MicroMV
MemoryStick (almost dead)
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The irony being.. that Blu-ray isn't a proprietary Sony format... do a google search and you'll find a lot more companies backing blu-ray than just Sony...
 
Sony is just the man with the big stack at the table and betting big everytime to try to make the little guys fold. But one day they will get called. Then the "little" guys will take a chunk of their chips, and the field will even out. I am speaking more of the NLE world, and granted sony isn't dominating it, but they are using their muscle to try to scare people out of competing with them. They've only got a pair (proprietary) while Edius has a Full House (support everything). Yes in the gaming world they dominate, but things like Wii, which are really attempting to re-invent the way games are played, might just have the last laugh. It doesn't matter if the sell 100 million ps3's. WHEN a better technology trumps blu ray before it penetrates the market beyond the video gaming community, blu ray will be irrelevant outside of the world of the gaming community. Then when the ps4 comes out and Sony abandons blu ray as well, what will everyone do with all their blu ray games that they might not even be able to play with their new ps system?
Just my humble opinion, but I don't see Sony, in the grand scheme of things, taking chances at the poker table. I see them using the power of their stack. But that doesn't win tournaments, it only wins hands.
wii, on the other hand, sacrificing graphics for a different way of playing those games...now that's taking chances.
Sorry if this is said already, but I didn't read the article. I am on dial up where I am at the moment :)
Jason
 
Hey Guys,

Not to change the subject too much, but what have the Japanese been doing for HD viewing all these years? Haven't they had HDTV since the 60's or something? What percentage of the public over there watch TV on HD? And is it analog, or digital? And isn't it in NTSC format?

I just don't understand why we're having so much trouble implementing it in the US if it's been in use for so long over there!

And if they are watching HD, do they just not watch DVDs in HD? What about screen stretch? How do they deal with that?
 
Everyone is missing the point. The average person DOES NOT want an HDTV. Its not cut out for them.

VHS and DVD work because they run on SD. Its always beem SD, and none other. Thats why they worked so well, (Betamax aside). Now, only a percentile of the people have an HDTV, and the rest of the people have SD.

The Big-Box factor comes in too. Sweat-shop made products kill american labor because of the big-box stores, giving no one the financial capabilities to buy a 1000$ player, a 500$ TV, and 100$ worth of cable, and moreso for 7.1-9.1 audio.

HD and Blu-Ray wont work because everything is working against them.
 
dailyrushes said:
Haven't they had HDTV since the 60's or something?
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I'm sure Wikipedia will provide more details, but they launched an 1135-line system early on, and later conformed it to match the rest of the world's choice of 1080.

And isn't it in NTSC format?
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NTSC only references analog standard-def. ATSC is used to reference EDTV and HDTV standards in the US, and Japanese HDTV is ATSC-compatible.

I just don't understand why we're having so much trouble implementing it in the US if it's been in use for so long over there!
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Nobody's having any "trouble" implementing it. It's just that the public, by and large, couldn't care less. HDTV broadcasts are on the air, almost the entire prime-time lineup from the four major networks is all HD, and even a few cable networks are broadcasting HD (guys like Discovery Theater, Universal HD, InHD, HDNet, ESPN-HD, etc). I think all told, in my region, I get about 9 HD channels on Time Warner Cable. So it's out there, even if it's a miniscule portion of the bandwidth, the big-budget stuff is mostly being shown in HD.

And something like 99% of the country is covered by digital broadcasts, but digital does not necessarily mean HD. I don't know what % of the country can receive HDTV signals. In metropolitan Las Vegas there were five over-the-air HD broadcast stations, IIRC.

Last I heard around 10% of the US households had at least one HDTV, I'm sure that number's probably up to around 15% by now. But of the % of households who are actually bothering to subscribe to an HDTV service (the optional add-on HD service from the cable networks or DirecTV etc) that number's down around 3%.

The production industry is going ga-ga for HD, and a lot of shows are moving up from SD origination to HD origination. Not all, of course, but a lot. Bigger budget infomercials and tv commercials are being shot in HD or film, obviously. SD is getting squeezed out of that range. Sports seem mostly covered by SD, but the bigger games & things are covered in HD.

So the production industry's adoption of HD is happening at a rampant pace. It's just consumer adoption that seems anemic. (but again, large swaths of the consumer section still prefer "fullscreen" movies over widescreen even though they're missing up to 50% of the picture(!), and they'll watch 4:3 TV stretched wide on their 16:9 flatscreen sets just so they don't see "those black bars.")
 
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I don't know where I read it ( coulda been here) but yes... 95 percent of households have at least 1 hd signal. 85 percent have 2 or more. Either thru cable, sat., local, or whatever.
Jason
 
Ramjet1979 said:
I don't know where I read it ( coulda been here) but yes... 95 percent of households have at least 1 hd signal. 85 percent have 2 or more. Either thru cable, sat., local, or whatever.
Jason
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Have an HD signal? I think you mean are capable of having an HD signal. I dont think I know ANYBODY paying 50-60$ a month for HD programming (other than some of the nerds on this forum :evil:)
 
I have a Sony HD ready set. But the cable company only has about 4 channels of HD and you have to pay for a extra box. Which I don't do.

The price on the set was really good and Sony's last for years so hopefully the price and service gets better in a year or two.
 
pto2212 said:
Have an HD signal? I think you mean are capable of having an HD signal. I dont think I know ANYBODY paying 50-60$ a month for HD programming (other than some of the nerds on this forum :evil:)
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I'm one of those nerds.:grin: But once you watch NFL on HD, you can never go back to standard viewing.:thumbsup:
 
Every broadcast station in Charlotte broadcasts digitally, and in HD when the programming is HD. Anyone with an integrated tuner (and pretty much all, if not all, new HD sets have one) can watch right out of the box.

That said, no one cares. I personally think HD in general might be a flop on the consumer end. SD is good enough for almost anyone.
 
no, I am just saying that they have an hd signal from at least one channel coming into their home. Not that they are taking advantage of it, or even have an hdtv, but at least one hi def channel is making its way to 95 percent of households now, not that 95 percent are watching at least one hd channel.
Jason
* yeah, sorry, "are capable" not watching
 
David Jimerson said:
Every broadcast station in Charlotte broadcasts digitally, and in HD when the programming is HD. Anyone with an integrated tuner (and pretty much all, if not all, new HD sets have one) can watch right out of the box.

That said, no one cares. I personally think HD in general might be a flop on the consumer end. SD is good enough for almost anyone.
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no way is it going to flop. It is not a matter of if, but when it will be the norm.
 
Zim said:
no way is it going to flop. It is not a matter of if, but when it will be the norm.
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I might have agreed with you a few years ago. But since then, it's become pretty clear to me that indeed, no one cares. I'd venture to say that not very many people can even see the difference unless they're viewing side-by-side and have the difference pointed out to them.

I know for CERTAIN that most people see HD, then go home and watch their standard sets, and think it looks just as good. And certainly good enough.

It might succeed, but probably only if there's no other choice (i.e., the government mandates it -- a move to which I would be summarily opposed).

But, we'll see. In any case, expect SD to be around for quite a few more years.
 
2 things to consider in determining if HD will become the norm.

1) People will replace their failing TVs. All most all new TVs are HD enabled. Eventually most people will have HD TVs in their homes.

2) If the TV stations /cable companies make HD the standard broadcast and (BIG IF) stop charging so much more for the HD feed, HD will become the norm. Big brother goverment is supposed to be stepping in on making HD the standard.

Conversion to HD will not be soon, but I have to agree, HD will become the norm eventually.
 
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