HD DVD sales not good

They already are taking big hits on the hardware , hence the extra 10 bucks on the games to recoup with licensing fees to the devs. 600 bucks for Blu-Ray player and a format with superior support from 3rd party devs, as well as the only place to get a GOOD baseball game, PS3 will pwn and look at the other crap we spend money on, 500 bucks for a P2 card, 600 bucks over the course of 5 years + (the systems average lifespan) is NOTHING!
 
directinglegend said:
I think one format has to die before anything good can come of it. I don't want to be in the video store trying to find a HD-DVD version of movies they only carry in blu-ray. It's not even a good system IMO. Why not join forces and make something that is actually useful? I also find it very hard to believe that they cannot make it backward compatible with older DVD players. Does this sound stupid? Isn't it the data on the disc that makes the picture good? not the laser in your player?

Also, I realize you need an HDTV. Considering that 90% (not a real statistic) of people think that Fullscreen is better than widescreen, how the hell can they tell the difference between blu-ray, and hd-dvd? and the player you need? and than you have to have some special hdtv with hdcp-whatsit-majiger. I don't think anyone is sold on a technology that doesn't even know what the hell it is.

Correct me if I'm wrong.
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As far as I know the players out today can play CD/DVD's also. I would call that compatibility. Backwards compatibility makes no sense. Since DVD players have hardware decoding for MPEG2 signals, it isn't a simple fix.
 
You know the reason why the sales arent good?

The stupid little cases. Bigger video, bigger cases. Its a friggin correlation, people.

Why put big video in a little wimpy cases?
 
Cynic821 said:
They already are taking big hits on the hardware , hence the extra 10 bucks on the games to recoup with licensing fees to the devs.
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I realize they are already taking big hits on the hardware but a company is not going to be able to sell nearly as many Dodge Vipers for a Chevrolet Corvette price to a Ford Mustang crowd.

Cynic821 said:
600 bucks for Blu-Ray player and a format with superior support from 3rd party devs, as well as the only place to get a GOOD baseball game, PS3 will pwn . . .
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I agree it's a good deal when you compare it. But the problem is that the average consumer is likely not going to plunk down $600 (plus tax in many states) on a video game system. And Sony needs to sell a HUGE number of PS3's. I just think that it's a hard sell once you start going past $400 for a video game system. It becomes difficult for many to justify more than half a grand for such a toy. Sure, it'll sell a good number of units but I don't see it really permeating the market for at least 1-2 years (with a substantial price drop) after its initial release.


Cynic821 said:
. . . and look at the other crap we spend money on, 500 bucks for a P2 card, 600 bucks over the course of 5 years + (the systems average lifespan) is NOTHING!
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I mosty agree with you in that $600 over 5 years for a kick-ass video game system is really not THAT bad at all. But the average consumer doesn't think like that. He thinks, "Jeez, $600 up front? Um, maybe I'll just get an Xbox 360. Actually, I'll just keep playing my PS2 for awhile longer until the price of the PS3 goes down."

As for the P2 Card prices, we're in a whole different market (consumer vs. professional) when we make those types of purchase decisions. Seeing how well the HVX is selling, I think people are realizing the value of the cards.
 
Cynic821 said:
They already are taking big hits on the hardware.
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He's right, they're charging $600 for a box that cost $800-$900 to manufacture . Again, because of how expensive Blu-Ray technology is. They're taking a big risk already, it'd be impossible to charge $300.
 
Cheesesailor77 said:
He's right, they're charging $600 for a box that cost $800-$900 to manufacture . Again, because of how expensive Blu-Ray technology is. They're taking a big risk already, it'd be impossible to charge $300.
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Understood. And if that's the case, then Sony will crash and burn. At least until the technology becomes cheaper to produce so they CAN realistically lower the price.

All this being said, I really DO like the PS3. :)
 
A good point i made on the GFaq's boards after reading an IGN blog, was that 360's are failing faster and faster now, breaking down near this 1 year mark, and without a warranty from a 3rd party, especially launch systems, you need to ship back to MS and wait 3 to 4 weeks to get a new one back on top of paying shipping and 140 bucks to fix it., so if more and more system begin to break getting closer to the launch of the PS3, word is going to spread, i mean it already has. People i know that dont have a 360 always ask me this question first : Did it break yet? And i unsuprisingly answer , YES.

Also these people who have had their 360 break on them, instead of shipping it back and plunking another 140 bucks and the wiat on one, will probably opt to switch to the PS3 and junk the 360 stuff theyved already bought for some cash to help pay for it.

IMO, owning every system at the time of the release is crucial to my existance, and only true gamers actually get all the systems, lifes to short to miss out on any one experience over a few dollars. Metal Gear is worht it alone for the price of admission. But ya, thats something i think to take a look at, people whos 360's break close to the PS3, and whether they ship em back or not. MS says 3%, IGN has it pegged at 50%!!!!
 
Well funy thing aboutlaser disc is....

When a artist makes a MAster copy of a Video art work for sale. ITs mastered to LAserdisc, and its purchase price includes a LAserdisc player.

MAtthew Barney for example sells his edition of 10 or 15 Laser discs for 40,000 Each. Apparently the picture is better. but i dunno. never seen it.
 
TimurCivan said:
Well funy thing aboutlaser disc is....

When a artist makes a MAster copy of a Video art work for sale. ITs mastered to LAserdisc, and its purchase price includes a LAserdisc player.

MAtthew Barney for example sells his edition of 10 or 15 Laser discs for 40,000 Each. Apparently the picture is better. but i dunno. never seen it.
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lol seriously?
 
blu-ray will win.

1. better name, more movie titles (sony, columbia, tri-star), ps3 (game addicts spend more money than herion addicts)

2. anyone who says "I want hd dvd" three times fast sounds like

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I'll take whichever is cheaper per gig.

Not clear which that is right now.

But again, if we're talking about watching movies, bigger capacity does not equal a better experience.
 
Sony's record of publicly accepted propriety formats has been dismal. I think they've failed on almost everyone. Even when they were good/better than the competition, they failed.

Betamax
UMD
MicroMV
MemoryStick (almost dead)

So I wonder about Blu-Ray. but the name is great and they have all those movie titles (Sony, MGM, Columbia, Tri-Star) and when people say "how can I get the Spiderman Trilogy box set on HD DVD?"

Survey says...

[X] [X] [X] :evil:

so you gotta go with whatever format has the most titles/use for YOU.

HD-DVD still sounds like crap coming out of your mouth, like saying "I just love my Google Orkut!" :Drogar-Evil(DBG):

the only time I want that many "D's" in anything is in my hooker's bra size. :grin:
 
Yeah, but 50gb on a new system that has to be tooled up and uses a proprietary format (with an eventual promise of maybe, someday, 200gb)? Or 300gb on a single layer with an eventual promise of 3.9TB?

And that's 200gb at ... what, 288 megabits per second? Vs. 3.9 terabytes at 1 gigabit per second?

I'll take 1.6 terabytes rather than 200gb, thanx.
Maxell/Inphase/Toshiba Holographic Blu Laser storage

blu-ray is too little, too soon.
 
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