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brock2621

brock2621

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I need a pistol, that looks, feels and acts real with actual blank shell ejection with muzzle flash. So basically a real pistol with a weap spring so it kicked back. Can anybody give me some links or suggestions? Thanks!
 
9mm blank firing guns:

http://www.firstlineindustries.com/blanfirgunre1.html

8mm blank firing guns:

http://www.firstlineindustries.com/blanfirgunre.html

Western and Police style revolvers blank firing guns:

http://www.firstlineindustries.com/wesandpolmod.html

Other (replica weapons) cannons, swords, non firing guns:

http://www.firstlineindustries.com/hoin.html

Hope this helps man. They got basically the best deals ive found. also, check ebay for perhaps cheaper prices on the same guns. search (blank firing guns)

PS: most blank firing guns are plugged by law. If you want muzzle flash out the front, drill the barrel completly though to unplug. Be careful man! do not point it at anybody if you are firing it like this. Treat these like real guns. People have died by using unplugged guns firing blanks. One actor was messing around, put it to his head for kicks and giggles to show everyone, and the pressure of the blank blew a peice of his skull into his brain killing him. So dont put it to your head. have fun dude
 
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just want to add...during the production of a tv movie about jfk when ruby shoots lee harvey oswald the pain was real because he was hit with whatever came out of the blank.

and as everyone knows brandon lee was fatally shot on the set of "The Crow"...reported as the gun not having been cleaned after a previous firing so a shell was lodged in the barrel.

which is why if you are going to be firing guns on a set you need to read your locale film laws. i know here you have to have a law enforcement official on set.
 
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These blank guns only eject the shells. The barrels on these guns are plugged. Ain't nothing coming out of the barrels. What they used on the Crow was a different type of blank gun, or a real gun shooting blank cartridges. However I do agreee you have to be carefull.
 
Thanks Forrest. I really appreciate the help. You pointed me directly in the right direction. I did have one more question though; a little earlier on the forums as i searched i found someone referred to http://www.modelguns.co.uk. Why are the prices so different between firstlineindustries and them? Is there a quality difference?
 
Brock, the guns from www.modelguns.co.uk are basically the same functionally and everything from the blank guns i listed earlier. The only difference from this it seems is that they have special made replica firing guns that many other places rarely carry. Which, if your going for something uniquie like a Thompson or an Uzi, you might have to buy from them. That seems to be the reason the price is so high. But also they dont use the same blanks as standard 8mm or 9mm blanks. Which makes them give a weaker kickback it looks like. unless you need on that is rare, purchase a pistol from the site i listed, or a similar salesplace for a good price. (under $100 is a good deal) They will do you good, and will last, all are made from steel unless stated otherwise. they function just like the real gun.
 
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Actually if you read the description on www.modelguns.co.uk, say under the Beretta 96, these guns have OPEN barrels, and field strip like the real guns. These other blank guns have plugged (closed) barrels and I believe you can't field strip them EXACTLY like real guns.

Basically, the guns from www.modelguns.co.uk are real guns that shoot blanks. Actually, I don't know why these wouldn't shoot real bullets; might want to look into that.

As far as safety is concerned, the cheaper $100 guns are a much safer bet, and they still look real. I have a plugged barrel revolver that shoots blanks, and it's just as heavy as a real gun, the only difference is the barrel and the fact that it's chambered for a blank cartridge, so a real cartridge wouldn't even fit.
The only thing with these to remember is that they usually have an orange tip. It's recessed on mine, in the barrel, so it's easy to get some flat black paint in there and cover it up.

Just don't get arrested...
 
Ok thanks forrest and cinemark. I like the look of the modelguns but they are friggin expensive and the gun isn't the main character in a movie.

I DO want muzzle flashes though which the 100 ones don't have. Can someone tell me what is done in big budget movies? I know for a fact that in Collateral they added way larger muzzle flashes to the gun. The original ones barely came out of the barrel. Is this the same for almost all movies? If so, does anyone know what absolute professional muzzle flash program is used or are they all custom created in Shake or other composite and graphic programs?
 
What about if you want to film someone loading a gun? where can you get fake bullets? Will they fit in to a blank gun?
 
RE: modelguns.co.uk

These guns are called model guns. They fire what is essentially a high powered plastic cap (like a cap gun) that is screwed into a two piece shell that looks like a cartridge with a bullet in it. If you were to look down the business end of the bullet, you will see a channel where the smoke and flame come out.

Yes, these are open barrel guns. No, they cannot fire real bullets. They will only take their proprietary cartridges, which cost $2.50 a pop, if memory serves. They are made of PVC and zinc, so IF you were to manage to insert a live round in they and rig it to fire, the bullet would leave the chamber, and the gun would essentially become a grenade in your hands. Not quite as devistating, but you will be pulling zinc and PVC shards out of your eye for a while.

You can also look at www.kaehny.de for authentic pistols that fire a 9mm PAK round and have an open barrel, but I highly recommend that you plug the barrel. The flash you receive will be so quick that it isn't likely to register on tape anyway. Post it later.

Honestly, though, using gas powered airsoft guns give you a few advantages over blanks:
1) Noise. You can record dialog on set while using gas guns. You will need to have the mic in another room if you use a blank gun and loop your dialog later.
2) By not using the flash (and sparks) from a blank gun, you have more options in post for how your muzzle flash looks.
3) Cost. Gas guns can be had for as little as $35. Cheap 8mm Beretta copies cost $90, if memory serves.
4) Safety. Blanks are hot and can burn. Blanks put out a jet of hot gas that can burn. Blanks are loud. Loud = hearing loss.

brock2621: You said "the gun isn't the main character in the movie." This is a strong statement that should help you define how to approach this problem. Frequently guns are used for big flashes and big bangs because it's cool. If it is simply a piece of prop that your character carries, it's significance and this discussion suddenly drop off in significance.

There is one muzzleflash plugin for after effects. I believe it's in the delium package. It only shows them from the side. If you know someone who can generate them in 3D and can motion match them (not terribly difficult) you can have a highly customized and realistic or Schwarzeneggerian enhanced reality effect. The muzzle flashes in Broken were done in Shake. Digital Fusion also has a plugin for muzzle flashes written by the guys at The Orphanage. Unfortunately, both apps are prohibitively expensive.

Jon: Loading is a little trickier, as only blank guns have shells. HOWEVER, if you can have a couple cuts in the shot, you can show the talent loading a REAL clip with REAL bullets (with no powder or primers), then cut to the talent inserting the gas gun clip into the prop gun. As long as you don't show the top of the clip of the prop gun, the effect will be perfect.
 
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What is the average cost of an Airsoft gun with blowback? In THE BROKEN documentary, they mentioned how they got it for $30 bucks. And the non-working guns for less than $20. But from my search, the blowback guns seem to be in the 90 - $120 range.
 
The price is defintely right. Can you get them without the orange tips or do you have to try and find a paint colour that's somewhat similar?
 
The $90-120 cost is about right for blowbacks.

This is a company/store I got a lot of weapons from. The prices are good and with some creative painting even some of the cheaper guns/rifles can look great.

As for the orange tips, with 11 yr olds pointing these things at cops and getting shot, the authorities are cracking down on them. While Non-blaze orange tip guns exist, you wont find one new. They aren't so hard to paint over if it's a black gun, but the "chrome" guns are a bear. I have a chrome (w/ orange) Sig blowback that I haven't used yet as I cant figure out how to de-orange it.

-GageFX
 
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