good video vs. good audio

I'm just learning this lesson now. I recently recorded a panel discussion with a mic on a far camera, another mic on a mid camera and one close to the participants. There is no substitute for proximity with regard to good audio capture, is there?
 
It's amazing how this simple aspect of content creation is ignored, misunderstood or completely overlooked! I saw a behind-the-scenes piece on Top Gun where they showed the creation of a cockpit sequence. They showed the silent picture first, then added the dialog and other layers one by one until the scene was complete. The silent picture was worthless until the dialog was added and the scene just kept getting better as the additional sound elements were added. I used it often to demonstrate the importance of good production dialog enhanced by good post work to "sell" the scene.
 
I guess I should go post this on the sub forums for shooters instead of audio people. You all already know this stuff!
 
looks like i be doing some short films again. i normally try to go all out with production value , but i think this time we're going to try something different...only available light and let it be what it be, but i am sticking to my guns on not compromising the audio!
 
The video is cool, but the poor audio sounds more like user error (buzz/hum etc).

I'd love to see the same kind of video but near traffic, right under an HVAC system, poor wardrobe choices etc.
All the things that other dept's get to make decisions about but ultimately affect the quality of the sound.
That would be the video I'd like to send around.
 
I always say when working with a new director who brings his film in our studio for mixing, dude, your film is 50% sound :-)
If we mess up this part, this will be a bad film that otherwise might have a been a decent one.
 
A good example of what Rippie is talking about is in the extra content of a nice small film called "Pipe Dream". They just show the takes of the last shot, which you just saw if you watched the film and you get to hear what it actually sounded like.

It's just a swamp of traffic.
 
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