Good internal shotgun/lavalier
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MattinSTL
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Re: Good internal shotgun/lavalier
Oktava Mk012/Mc012 (same mic) and specify HYPER CARDIOID cap... available from Sound-Room for $193.
Mc012 click HERE.
Audio Technica At3031 cardioid... $169... I've been ELATED with the sound of the Oktava, but I'm gonna' try one of these out of curiousity.
At3031 click HERE.
Either of these mics will require substantial windprotection for outdoor use... but that's not what you need them for anyway! These are both excellent solutions for interiors...
The Oktava is one of the best "bang for the buck" mics you can get... for normal use don't use the 10db attenuator BTW.
With either of these mics you'll be amazed at how bad they make the me66 sound in comparison... it 'aint even close... the Oktava SMOKES the me66 in sound quality and it REALLY smokes it for interiors. Trust me... you WILL love it.
When you hear the difference you'll crap your pants... the Oktava sounds like reality and the me66 sounds like a cell phone call. For interiors there's no better low priced solution.
Oktava Mk012/Mc012 (same mic) and specify HYPER CARDIOID cap... available from Sound-Room for $193.
Mc012 click HERE.
Audio Technica At3031 cardioid... $169... I've been ELATED with the sound of the Oktava, but I'm gonna' try one of these out of curiousity.
At3031 click HERE.
Either of these mics will require substantial windprotection for outdoor use... but that's not what you need them for anyway! These are both excellent solutions for interiors...
The Oktava is one of the best "bang for the buck" mics you can get... for normal use don't use the 10db attenuator BTW.
With either of these mics you'll be amazed at how bad they make the me66 sound in comparison... it 'aint even close... the Oktava SMOKES the me66 in sound quality and it REALLY smokes it for interiors. Trust me... you WILL love it.
When you hear the difference you'll crap your pants... the Oktava sounds like reality and the me66 sounds like a cell phone call. For interiors there's no better low priced solution.
Re: Good internal shotgun/lavalier
never compered them head to head -but octava is really nice mike vith good clarity and sound , working very good for interars -but like Matt had mentin need good shock mount , locut filter around 60-70 hz( if you work directly to the camera) , it doesnt love wind so you need good protection for fast boom mooving .
other mike with slightlybetter prformers would cost you more then 3 times more akg 580+63
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never compered them head to head -but octava is really nice mike vith good clarity and sound , working very good for interars -but like Matt had mentin need good shock mount , locut filter around 60-70 hz( if you work directly to the camera) , it doesnt love wind so you need good protection for fast boom mooving .
other mike with slightlybetter prformers would cost you more then 3 times more akg 580+63
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MattinSTL
Sound Modulator
Re: Good internal shotgun/lavalier
The me64 cap will cost you $160 plus shipping... the Oktava with a hyper cardioid cap will cost you $195 from www.sound-room.com and you'll have a complete mic that's several steps higher in sound quality.
You MUST accept the fact that you need a good shockmount and great windprotection though... Rycote BBG is $125... K-Tek KSSM is $109...
It all adds up.
The me64 cap will cost you $160 plus shipping... the Oktava with a hyper cardioid cap will cost you $195 from www.sound-room.com and you'll have a complete mic that's several steps higher in sound quality.
You MUST accept the fact that you need a good shockmount and great windprotection though... Rycote BBG is $125... K-Tek KSSM is $109...
It all adds up.
MattinSTL
Sound Modulator
Re: Good internal shotgun/lavalier
The two mics have a very similar sound, but the Oktava with HYPER cap is better indoors with a fair bit less room resonance... conversely the 4073a is much better outdoors with much longer reach. Both are great mics but I reach for the Oktava 99% of the time indoors and the 4073a 80% of the time outdoors.
In my experience the Oktava gets a lot of use... even outdoors it's OCCASIONALLY the best choice.
The two mics have a very similar sound, but the Oktava with HYPER cap is better indoors with a fair bit less room resonance... conversely the 4073a is much better outdoors with much longer reach. Both are great mics but I reach for the Oktava 99% of the time indoors and the 4073a 80% of the time outdoors.
In my experience the Oktava gets a lot of use... even outdoors it's OCCASIONALLY the best choice.
Re: Good internal shotgun/lavalier
Okay, i'm bouncing everywhere here but after reading a LOT more I'm considering upping my budget and going for something reasonably professional. I heard the difference between the 416 and the 4073 in the test thread and liked the 416 MUCH better.
Hence, I'm now considering the Sanken CS-3e. Any information on that? Indoors/Outdoors?
What would be a reasonably perfect combo for an outdoor shotgun and an indoor shotgun? Noise rejection is important, but warmth of sound is my main criteria now.
Okay, i'm bouncing everywhere here but after reading a LOT more I'm considering upping my budget and going for something reasonably professional. I heard the difference between the 416 and the 4073 in the test thread and liked the 416 MUCH better.
Hence, I'm now considering the Sanken CS-3e. Any information on that? Indoors/Outdoors?
What would be a reasonably perfect combo for an outdoor shotgun and an indoor shotgun? Noise rejection is important, but warmth of sound is my main criteria now.
Re: Good internal shotgun/lavalier
So as per more investigation, I've been hearing bad things about the CS-3's operational noise. Is this a real issue or just nitpicking? I can't foresee it being THAT loud since it is aprofessional mic. How does it compare to the MKH60? Also, shall I assume this mic is not intended to be used indoors but rather outdoors? I've also heard of people complaining that it is "too thick", or "too rich". What does this mean and should I be concerned?
For indoors, it's a toss up between the CS-1 (sticking with sanken) the Schoepps combo (forgot the model numbers) or the Oktava.
Observations? Am I missing any mics? Any conclusive information anyone can give?
So as per more investigation, I've been hearing bad things about the CS-3's operational noise. Is this a real issue or just nitpicking? I can't foresee it being THAT loud since it is aprofessional mic. How does it compare to the MKH60? Also, shall I assume this mic is not intended to be used indoors but rather outdoors? I've also heard of people complaining that it is "too thick", or "too rich". What does this mean and should I be concerned?
For indoors, it's a toss up between the CS-1 (sticking with sanken) the Schoepps combo (forgot the model numbers) or the Oktava.
Observations? Am I missing any mics? Any conclusive information anyone can give?
MattinSTL
Sound Modulator
Re: Good internal shotgun/lavalier
The CS3e is a great mic... the classifications of "too thick" or "too rich" are in fact, nitpicking. I'm one of the people who prefers the sound of some other mics in that price-range however... but any of the choices up there will give you jaw-dropping results if properly used. The Sankens happen to be the leaders in off-axis/rear rejection... making them the most usable in tough situations.
The Mkh60 is the quietest shotgun and I like the sound of it... so it just depends on where you want to spend your money and what's most important to you.
I went with the 416 and I'm happy with the price/performance ratio and I've found it to be pretty damn good at off-axis/rear rejection too... but it's a little below the Sankens in that regard... plus the Mkh60 is quieter by a fair bit. Still, I don't notice the 416 as being "noisy" by any stretch... and I'm super-critical... so if you go with one of the Sankens I doubt it will sound noisy either... it just happens that the Mkh60 is exceptionally quiet... but I wouldn't get it for that characteristic unless you also like the sound of it.
Either get the mic you like the sound of best... or just get one of the Sankens if you can't decide. In practical use you're going to find that the hardest part of getting the sound you want lies in NOT hearing the sounds you DON'T want.
All of these mics... except the CS1... are really more like medium shotguns more suited to outdoor use... there will be times when they'll work great indoors... but the majority of the time you'll want something else for interiors.
The CS3e is a great mic... the classifications of "too thick" or "too rich" are in fact, nitpicking. I'm one of the people who prefers the sound of some other mics in that price-range however... but any of the choices up there will give you jaw-dropping results if properly used. The Sankens happen to be the leaders in off-axis/rear rejection... making them the most usable in tough situations.
The Mkh60 is the quietest shotgun and I like the sound of it... so it just depends on where you want to spend your money and what's most important to you.
I went with the 416 and I'm happy with the price/performance ratio and I've found it to be pretty damn good at off-axis/rear rejection too... but it's a little below the Sankens in that regard... plus the Mkh60 is quieter by a fair bit. Still, I don't notice the 416 as being "noisy" by any stretch... and I'm super-critical... so if you go with one of the Sankens I doubt it will sound noisy either... it just happens that the Mkh60 is exceptionally quiet... but I wouldn't get it for that characteristic unless you also like the sound of it.
Either get the mic you like the sound of best... or just get one of the Sankens if you can't decide. In practical use you're going to find that the hardest part of getting the sound you want lies in NOT hearing the sounds you DON'T want.
All of these mics... except the CS1... are really more like medium shotguns more suited to outdoor use... there will be times when they'll work great indoors... but the majority of the time you'll want something else for interiors.
Re: Good internal shotgun/lavalier
i never had any problem with cs-3 noice flo0r , not in the city and not in the desert , its not thick and its not thin ,it exacly what i like ( and i have or had almos every mike that you mentioned) , the benefit of sanken that even indor situation you dont have to much problems with acoustic reverb .
take abeneffit of the low yen and spend the diffirence on octava instead the mkh-60.
i never had any problem with cs-3 noice flo0r , not in the city and not in the desert , its not thick and its not thin ,it exacly what i like ( and i have or had almos every mike that you mentioned) , the benefit of sanken that even indor situation you dont have to much problems with acoustic reverb .
take abeneffit of the low yen and spend the diffirence on octava instead the mkh-60.
MattinSTL
Sound Modulator
Re: Good internal shotgun/lavalier
I'd have to agree with Oleg on this one... you could get a CS3 and have the most usable shotgun for it's off-axis/rear rejection and... like I said... it will have jaw-dropping sound...
And that will leave you with enough to get an Oktava hyper-cardioid for the live interiors where that mic would be better.
There you go! Out of money yet? No? Because I've got a lot more ideas... ;D
I'd have to agree with Oleg on this one... you could get a CS3 and have the most usable shotgun for it's off-axis/rear rejection and... like I said... it will have jaw-dropping sound...
And that will leave you with enough to get an Oktava hyper-cardioid for the live interiors where that mic would be better.
There you go! Out of money yet? No? Because I've got a lot more ideas... ;D
Re: Good internal shotgun/lavalier
[quote author=Matt in STL link=board=audio;num=1091774040;start=0#13 date=08/10/04 at 07:20:11]I'd have to agree with Oleg on this one... There you go! Out of money yet? No? Because I've got a lot more ideas... ;D[/quote]
Matt dont do it , you ruin my name
[quote author=Matt in STL link=board=audio;num=1091774040;start=0#13 date=08/10/04 at 07:20:11]I'd have to agree with Oleg on this one... There you go! Out of money yet? No? Because I've got a lot more ideas... ;D[/quote]
Matt dont do it , you ruin my name