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Fluorescent light and Sundance Winner.
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Re: Fluorescent light and Sundance Winner.
I think that is hot! It gives me conviction for what I was gonna do anyway which was build my own fluorescent kit. Kino's are overpriced and no one can tell me different. I've heard all the arguments as to why they are better, but crap if you can find a work light with a 20-25khz ballast and the same light (5600k by sylvania) which is the kino, you are in business. Emphasizes that there are no rules just fools.
I think that is hot! It gives me conviction for what I was gonna do anyway which was build my own fluorescent kit. Kino's are overpriced and no one can tell me different. I've heard all the arguments as to why they are better, but crap if you can find a work light with a 20-25khz ballast and the same light (5600k by sylvania) which is the kino, you are in business. Emphasizes that there are no rules just fools.
J.R. Hudson
Spirit Animal
Re: Fluorescent light and Sundance Winner.
Yeah, baby!
Do I make you Randy?
Yeah, baby!
Do I make you Randy?
Re: Fluorescent light and Sundance Winner.
..what youll find if you actually look for any 5600k flourescents is that they are extremely hard to find, and if you do find them, they are expensive.. it f course is completely rediculous because they dont realy cost any more to make than other color temps..same for 3200k, but since they can be used for film and video + photography they know they can call them "specialty" and get away with charging an arma and a leg for them.. but armed with some basic knowledge of light one could easlily get around this .. just yesterday i went around to all the hardware type stores like home depot and menards(prob just here in madison wi)..even walmart and others, and looked at fixtures and bulbs..i also scoured the internet for about 4 hours looking for 5600k or 3200k bulbs..your not going to find any that arent jacked waaaaay up in price.. but heres a little secret.. some standard fish tank or aquarium flourescents are 5600k, but youll find that there color temp isnt marked anywhere on them..(of course this is to stop people from buying them instead of the 30.00 version they want you to buy with a different lable on it) but the deal is how do you tell if youve got one thats 5600k or not.. you have to take a spectrum reading of the light after you buy the thing.. so i opted not to spend alot of money looking for the right kind.. and the manufacturer internet site wont tell you either.. they are smart about making money for sure.. but heres what i settled on and is a simple solution to the issue. simply combine lights to make the proper color temp.. you can buy a nice magnetic no hum or flicker 4 light double ballast fixter for about 50.00 and by combining 2 readily available 40 watt 5000k bulbs with 2 readily available 40 watt 6280k bulbs (look for full spectrum sunshine bulbs) you get an averaged color temp of 5640k which is too close for anyone to tell the differance, and viola !!! lighting at film 5600k for about 70.00 for fixture with diffuser panel+ bulbs, .. of course you could go cheaper on the fixture , but if you do get ready to deal with flicker and hum, and other crappy starting issues.. just shell out 70.00 and your still getting an awsome deal.. works awasome!!!
..now i know i do alot of dyi, and really its not that i cant afford to buy some 4,000.00 light package for this type of shoot, but really i have to ask why. i just like fighting the institution, and prooving that its not about stuffing money into a pig to make it pretty. i like getting my hands dirty and designing things, and saying..hey.. i did this for 1/100 of the cost you did, and nobody could ever tell the difference. too many film studios spend way too much making films nowadays.. they bareley make back their budget alot of times.. thats just rediculous. imho anyway. for me its all about simply telling a good story, and telling it well. i dont care if the light hitting them was from a 30,000.00 kit, or a walmart special .. and neither does the audience, if it all looks the same.
..what youll find if you actually look for any 5600k flourescents is that they are extremely hard to find, and if you do find them, they are expensive.. it f course is completely rediculous because they dont realy cost any more to make than other color temps..same for 3200k, but since they can be used for film and video + photography they know they can call them "specialty" and get away with charging an arma and a leg for them.. but armed with some basic knowledge of light one could easlily get around this .. just yesterday i went around to all the hardware type stores like home depot and menards(prob just here in madison wi)..even walmart and others, and looked at fixtures and bulbs..i also scoured the internet for about 4 hours looking for 5600k or 3200k bulbs..your not going to find any that arent jacked waaaaay up in price.. but heres a little secret.. some standard fish tank or aquarium flourescents are 5600k, but youll find that there color temp isnt marked anywhere on them..(of course this is to stop people from buying them instead of the 30.00 version they want you to buy with a different lable on it) but the deal is how do you tell if youve got one thats 5600k or not.. you have to take a spectrum reading of the light after you buy the thing.. so i opted not to spend alot of money looking for the right kind.. and the manufacturer internet site wont tell you either.. they are smart about making money for sure.. but heres what i settled on and is a simple solution to the issue. simply combine lights to make the proper color temp.. you can buy a nice magnetic no hum or flicker 4 light double ballast fixter for about 50.00 and by combining 2 readily available 40 watt 5000k bulbs with 2 readily available 40 watt 6280k bulbs (look for full spectrum sunshine bulbs) you get an averaged color temp of 5640k which is too close for anyone to tell the differance, and viola !!! lighting at film 5600k for about 70.00 for fixture with diffuser panel+ bulbs, .. of course you could go cheaper on the fixture , but if you do get ready to deal with flicker and hum, and other crappy starting issues.. just shell out 70.00 and your still getting an awsome deal.. works awasome!!!
..now i know i do alot of dyi, and really its not that i cant afford to buy some 4,000.00 light package for this type of shoot, but really i have to ask why. i just like fighting the institution, and prooving that its not about stuffing money into a pig to make it pretty. i like getting my hands dirty and designing things, and saying..hey.. i did this for 1/100 of the cost you did, and nobody could ever tell the difference. too many film studios spend way too much making films nowadays.. they bareley make back their budget alot of times.. thats just rediculous. imho anyway. for me its all about simply telling a good story, and telling it well. i dont care if the light hitting them was from a 30,000.00 kit, or a walmart special .. and neither does the audience, if it all looks the same.
Re: Fluorescent light and Sundance Winner.
..you can also take 3 easy to find 3000k lights, and combine them with one standard 4100k flourescent,(id put the 4100k in the middle..if you can find a 4000 it would be better of course) to get a colour temp of 3275 which is alot closer to 3200k than using 3000k or 3500k bulbs in fact again its almost too close to notice any different.
..you can also take 3 easy to find 3000k lights, and combine them with one standard 4100k flourescent,(id put the 4100k in the middle..if you can find a 4000 it would be better of course) to get a colour temp of 3275 which is alot closer to 3200k than using 3000k or 3500k bulbs in fact again its almost too close to notice any different.
J.R. Hudson
Spirit Animal
Re: Fluorescent light and Sundance Winner.
When I was at Home Depot I saw some lights that were advertised as 6500k.
IS this good? They were outdoor security lights and on the box had the charts of color temp and these were listed as pretty damn close to the socalled "Sunlight" spectrum or "daylight"
When I was at Home Depot I saw some lights that were advertised as 6500k.
IS this good? They were outdoor security lights and on the box had the charts of color temp and these were listed as pretty damn close to the socalled "Sunlight" spectrum or "daylight"
Re: Fluorescent light and Sundance Winner.
Bahhh, this cat used $7 bulbs from walmart...i bet he was not concerned about cri's or anything else which is the original thrust of this discussion. Use what you got to get what you need!
I just picked up some fluorescent bulbs from:
https://secure.tcinternet.net/buylighting/shoppingcart/f40t12.html
F40T12 full spectrum fluorescent lamps- $6.75 each
Bahhh, this cat used $7 bulbs from walmart...i bet he was not concerned about cri's or anything else which is the original thrust of this discussion. Use what you got to get what you need!
I just picked up some fluorescent bulbs from:
https://secure.tcinternet.net/buylighting/shoppingcart/f40t12.html
F40T12 full spectrum fluorescent lamps- $6.75 each
Re: Fluorescent light and Sundance Winner.
I understand....just trying not to get bogged down in the technicalities of it all. Most people have shot their wad on this camera which was 3 grand and up. Owning a recording studio I find that my counterparts and the public at large are more gear conscience than art conscience, hence the reason it was necessary for me to go protools to achieve a result which could have been done on a laptop with nuendo and a firewire interface. However the equipment in my studio does not imbue aspiring artist with talent, but they believe they need protools HD to achieve their results. I'm not attacking your answer so please don't take offense as i'm not a "flamer" (lol in any sense of the word), but its fun to me to just do it and let the end result be the test wether the mic or bulb supposedly has the correct spec. Enough soapbox...here is a hot link for home made "flo's".
http://www.gregssandbox.com/bs/thebsstuff.htm
I understand....just trying not to get bogged down in the technicalities of it all. Most people have shot their wad on this camera which was 3 grand and up. Owning a recording studio I find that my counterparts and the public at large are more gear conscience than art conscience, hence the reason it was necessary for me to go protools to achieve a result which could have been done on a laptop with nuendo and a firewire interface. However the equipment in my studio does not imbue aspiring artist with talent, but they believe they need protools HD to achieve their results. I'm not attacking your answer so please don't take offense as i'm not a "flamer" (lol in any sense of the word), but its fun to me to just do it and let the end result be the test wether the mic or bulb supposedly has the correct spec. Enough soapbox...here is a hot link for home made "flo's".
http://www.gregssandbox.com/bs/thebsstuff.htm
Re: Fluorescent light and Sundance Winner.
hey cinebuddy..thanks for the link to the 5600ks..those are near impossible to find
about the 6500k bulbs..yes they are within the daylight spectrum, but remember that actuall daylight isnt always one constant color temp from dawn till dusk.. it generally varies between 5000k up to about 8000k pending the suns position, and the atmospheric conditions at hand, and geographical position. but the point of getting daylight balanced bulbs, isnt really to make the color of the light the same as the daylight (daylight bulbs can range from 5000k-10000k+), the point is really more or less to make it possible to consistantly work with one specific color temp of light. for the most part, if your outside, leaving the dvx at the preset 5600k will look just fine, and what using 5600k temp lights inside/outside alows you to do is to use the same preset inside.. so you never really have to white balance.. you just use the 5600k preset all the time for consistant lighting. it also allows you to use virtually the same exact color corection for everything. .now realistically you can use whatever color temp lights you want, and just white balance, and its going to look the same, but the 5600k temp would save you the hassel. what ive done is use the 5600k flouros for the soft lighting, and then buy some "daylight" mini flouro bulbs to replace the practicals in the home, most are 5000k, so they are still pretty close, but still offer some color..which i like..i dont like everything white..the real world isnt like that, but they do give a bit softer light, and allow me to keep the practical color temp from being too far off. all soo cheap..bwahahahaah!!
really people can say its ghetto or whatnot, but tell that to the sundance winner. that just mutes the point. older films which have achieved almost the unattainable heights were shot with less lighting technology than a walmart shoplight, but again if going this route, i would spend the money to get good ballasts.. they are the most important..no hum or flicker.
hey cinebuddy..thanks for the link to the 5600ks..those are near impossible to find
about the 6500k bulbs..yes they are within the daylight spectrum, but remember that actuall daylight isnt always one constant color temp from dawn till dusk.. it generally varies between 5000k up to about 8000k pending the suns position, and the atmospheric conditions at hand, and geographical position. but the point of getting daylight balanced bulbs, isnt really to make the color of the light the same as the daylight (daylight bulbs can range from 5000k-10000k+), the point is really more or less to make it possible to consistantly work with one specific color temp of light. for the most part, if your outside, leaving the dvx at the preset 5600k will look just fine, and what using 5600k temp lights inside/outside alows you to do is to use the same preset inside.. so you never really have to white balance.. you just use the 5600k preset all the time for consistant lighting. it also allows you to use virtually the same exact color corection for everything. .now realistically you can use whatever color temp lights you want, and just white balance, and its going to look the same, but the 5600k temp would save you the hassel. what ive done is use the 5600k flouros for the soft lighting, and then buy some "daylight" mini flouro bulbs to replace the practicals in the home, most are 5000k, so they are still pretty close, but still offer some color..which i like..i dont like everything white..the real world isnt like that, but they do give a bit softer light, and allow me to keep the practical color temp from being too far off. all soo cheap..bwahahahaah!!
really people can say its ghetto or whatnot, but tell that to the sundance winner. that just mutes the point. older films which have achieved almost the unattainable heights were shot with less lighting technology than a walmart shoplight, but again if going this route, i would spend the money to get good ballasts.. they are the most important..no hum or flicker.
J.R. Hudson
Spirit Animal
Re: Fluorescent light and Sundance Winner.
It's all becoming clear now.
It's all becoming clear now.
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Re: Fluorescent light and Sundance Winner.
Hey guys,
I tell you that you can make with easy your own kino´s with a Osram ballast call quiktronic and the osram tubes call Dulux L Delux (tone 12 for 5600 and tone 21 for 3200, all with cri of 95).
With its you can tell Kino´s don´t buggin us again.
Hey guys,
I tell you that you can make with easy your own kino´s with a Osram ballast call quiktronic and the osram tubes call Dulux L Delux (tone 12 for 5600 and tone 21 for 3200, all with cri of 95).
With its you can tell Kino´s don´t buggin us again.
