Film look for what? video look @ 240Hz is in!

meh... my brother loves his new TV... and the "video-look"... on seeing it and realizing that he could have got a much bigger 600hz plasma for only $100 more... I really pushed him to do just that... but he loves "how real" <quote from him... all the old movies look now.

Thankfully we have freedom of choice.

I think if somebody's excited about how "video-y" their new TV looks... let 'em be happy with it. I gave up trying to explain what was "wrong" with my bro's new TV when I realized I was trying to wrestle his happiness away from him.

To the OP... you should realize however... that THIS is not the place to proclaim that "films" that LOOK LIKE FILMS... are somehow inferior to films that look like video.

The whole foundation of this place was built on the excitement of FINALLY being able to make videos that look like films... you'll never get a majority of supporters (here) for it to be the other way around.
 
majority of consumers only see a higher number, and think it's better. this is america! bigger is better! 2892798894279472987987498273 hz?!?!?!?! IT HAS TO BE BETTER. While watching speed racer at best buy at 240 hz almost made me puke, and WALL E at the sony store the same way gave me a migraine.

only thing it's good for is sports. i hope we aren't moving towards and era of where all tvs are higher hz and no option to turn it off. it will make me really sad, and i'll have to buy professional display panels for too much money just to avoid it.
 
kyledroid said:
Also, we cant forget about the new 3d sets that are coming out...those will definitely require higher frame rates.
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This is a 3D set with the 3D glasses and all.

Otis Grapsas said:
That's just frame interpolation, isn't it? If the algorithms were any good for viewing in slow motion, they could create 10x slow motion in post.

It fills in the gaps, with something that wasn't there in the original film, wasn't monitored or approved by the creators, and cannot possibly contain extra information over the original frames. A very bad thing IMHO. But I'm a strange guy. I sometimes wonder if we should look at 1920x1080 transfers of old films, because the creators had never seen the material at such a high resolution, not while creating it, not in projection, mostly it was 500p or less through production and release. It shows production flaws they never thought we would see. It's like examining a work of art on the microscope. The creator had no control at that level. Not fair:)
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haha... yeah like on "The Day The Earth Stood Still" it was just sooooo noticeable! I'm sure the film maker did not want it to look that way.

David Jimerson said:
I wouldn't ever buy a television where you can't turn that off.
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I think this one is set to "auto" because as I'm watching this thing a little more, when ever I can, like right now I was watching something and at the hour mark when the new show started it switched on it's own and I got a pop-up on the screen that said 1280x720 @60Hz and right now the people don't look like I can touch them any more. It looks like regular HD.
It's switching automatic depending on what's playing.

xmephestox said:
i have a 55 inch LED samsung tv. You can turn it off, u just have to dig through more menus.
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yes, I'm going to have to find some time to play with it and explore.

MattinSTL said:
I think if somebody's excited about how "video-y" their new TV looks... let 'em be happy with it. I gave up trying to explain what was "wrong" with my bro's new TV when I realized I was trying to wrestle his happiness away from him.
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haha so funny, I love the film look but I'm having a blast watching these
movies like if I'm looking at the HD version of the raw behind the scenes feel :)
 
MattinSTL said:
The whole foundation of this place was built on the excitement of FINALLY being able to make videos that look like films... you'll never get a majority of supporters (here) for it to be the other way around.
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Hahaha...I can't remember the last time I heard someone shooting on film ask, "How can I shoot this to get that 'cool' video look?":grin:
 
Here it is... too funny, my buddy walks in and he says "what are you watching a british show"? and I said it's not a show it's a movie.
He says "that's not a movie that's a show" and I'm watching 1997's "Fierce Creatures" with Jamie Lee Curtis! hahahaha!!!

I had to explain how the TV makes it look real and the whole 9 and all that and Immediately he said, "oh well then I don't like that sh!t" LOL!!!:Drogar-BigGrin(DBG)
 
I've seen some of these TV's lately that suddenly speed up the motion at seemingly indiscriminate intervals, though I think it happens mostly during pans and a lot of movement. So distracting! It is usually on those TV's with hyper-real looking images. I'm guessing the refresh rate with interpolation has something to do with it?

In any case . . . I hate it! 48Hz or 60Hz looks great for movies. 120Hz+ for sports (or video games) I think looks great (as long as the motion doesn't ramp up).

I would buy a TV that can do 240Hz as long as it can be set to 60Hz when I want it to be! Sounds like this is the case with a lot of these - whew! :)
 
Luis_ said:
I went through the menus and did not see anything to change that.

I think I'm going to engage in a little tiny project and make a little video review about this thing. A minute or 2 long.
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YES THEY DO HAVE AN OPTION TO CHANGE THIS SETTING. I already posted in this thread regarding same.

The setting is not called something like change to 60Hz or similar.

Luis - page 17 / 18 of your Tvs manual, yes I looked it up. You can do it two ways either basic or advanced - under your advanced settings theres a tab called "LED MOTION" - The option to choose is either off or cinema.

Bravia / Pana others also have a similar option and its usually referred to as motion - Samsung - LED MOTION or MOTION / Sony motion flow or motion.

If your watching movies like this on a new TV I call NOOB for not reading your manual.
EDIT TO ADD: Tv manufacturers could make this easier to change.
 
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DC said:
I've seen some of these TV's lately that suddenly speed up the motion at seemingly indiscriminate intervals, though I think it happens mostly during pans and a lot of movement. So distracting! It is usually on those TV's with hyper-real looking images. I'm guessing the refresh rate with interpolation has something to do with it?

In any case . . . I hate it! 48Hz or 60Hz looks great for movies. 120Hz+ for sports (or video games) I think looks great (as long as the motion doesn't ramp up).

I would buy a TV that can do 240Hz as long as it can be set to 60Hz when I want it to be! Sounds like this is the case with a lot of these - whew! :)
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I think that might be connected to where the video source comes from.
On my TV, I get that problem when I hook my DVD player via the composite.
 
Noel Evans said:
YES THEY DO HAVE AN OPTION TO CHANGE THIS SETTING
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yeah I just haven't had more time to play with it.
the last time I went to the "advanced" setting it was grayed out for me.
The menu scrolls and skips right over it.

I'll have to wait til it's not in use one of these decades to play with it a little more. :Drogar-Smoke(DBG):
 
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