Film Look (24P) Vs Video Look Samples?
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DavidBeier
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It's no one thing that makes the film look and I think Barry's distinction between film look and movie look is important. Look at any number of bad TV moves that were made before HD and 24p digital came out. They are all shot on film but still look lousy because of bad lighting, poor CC, poor production values, and numerous other things.
As for the "film look." I agree the most noticible thing is 24p but that isn't all of it. If I were to pic a second, I'd say lattitude. Another thing that made the DVX a big deal is that we were getting 7-7.5 stops of lattitude. After the paltry 4.5-5.5 stops we had been getting before compared to the roughly 11 stops most got from 16mm film, that was a big jump. It's hard to look like film when everything is blowing out like crazy. After that the general gamma curve really plays a big part. Color is important as well. That's one thing that panasonic always seems to have on it's side. I don't know if there is any technical basis for what I'm saying but the DVX, HVX, and Varicam colors just look a lot more filmish to my eye than that of most video cameras. The Cine-gammas are more saturated but I think its more than that. Having tried to match up DVX, XL1, and VX2000 footage I can say that something about the DVX100 still looked more filmish to my eye than the XL1 and VX2000 once I'd saturated them to comprible levels. As for grain, I'm not so sure. It's actually pretty rare that I actually can see visible grain in a projected film and it's even rare that I see some actual grain on an SD DVD (usually it takes bad 70s stuff for me to actually notice anything). Grain is certainly an undeniable part of film but I'm not sure how much of it actually makes it through to our eyes these days.
As for the "film look." I agree the most noticible thing is 24p but that isn't all of it. If I were to pic a second, I'd say lattitude. Another thing that made the DVX a big deal is that we were getting 7-7.5 stops of lattitude. After the paltry 4.5-5.5 stops we had been getting before compared to the roughly 11 stops most got from 16mm film, that was a big jump. It's hard to look like film when everything is blowing out like crazy. After that the general gamma curve really plays a big part. Color is important as well. That's one thing that panasonic always seems to have on it's side. I don't know if there is any technical basis for what I'm saying but the DVX, HVX, and Varicam colors just look a lot more filmish to my eye than that of most video cameras. The Cine-gammas are more saturated but I think its more than that. Having tried to match up DVX, XL1, and VX2000 footage I can say that something about the DVX100 still looked more filmish to my eye than the XL1 and VX2000 once I'd saturated them to comprible levels. As for grain, I'm not so sure. It's actually pretty rare that I actually can see visible grain in a projected film and it's even rare that I see some actual grain on an SD DVD (usually it takes bad 70s stuff for me to actually notice anything). Grain is certainly an undeniable part of film but I'm not sure how much of it actually makes it through to our eyes these days.
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Well david the thing is, the CineMAtrix, and DVX HVX color, isnt "special" its just very accurate. I mean its noisier, but its definintly representing color accuratly and this is like panasonics claim to fame. Sony JVC CAnon... thaey are very close in terms of visual accuracy (except sony, Sony looks like clear plastic color gels laid on top of a B&W image to me), but the panasonics just take that 1 extra step. Especailly with Cinematrix on.
The way i judge this, is i shoot my oil painings with the DVX and my friends Vx2100. both set to 32k, both under tungsten light. the Sony looked Good! (ish) but when we put the DVX next to it, you really see how accurate the colors are. its nearly perfect. Especially in the subtle areas where the shades of color in the paint are like really minute. the DVX picks it up, the Sony kinda just made the same color darker or lighter.
The way i judge this, is i shoot my oil painings with the DVX and my friends Vx2100. both set to 32k, both under tungsten light. the Sony looked Good! (ish) but when we put the DVX next to it, you really see how accurate the colors are. its nearly perfect. Especially in the subtle areas where the shades of color in the paint are like really minute. the DVX picks it up, the Sony kinda just made the same color darker or lighter.