Feedback on my lighting tests

Sledgeweb

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Hello, this is my first post here, so please allow myself to introduce ... myself. I'm 28, married, and work full time as a web developer. My real passion, however, is telling stories... through photos, drawing, visual effects/graphics/media, but especially ... film. I had made a couple of really bad 5 minute short films, when - about two years ago - two close friends and I decided to make a feature length mockumentary called "Beneath the Mask: Portrait of an American Ninja" (http://films.cubit.net).

Our initial plan was that we would each pitch in $100, and we would complete the project in 3 months... pre-production for 1 month, production for 1 month, and post-production for 1 month. Obviously, we were pretty naive. We actually stuck to the schedule, though not the budget, until we hit post-production - which took almost two years.

We shot the mockumentary with three home camcorders (all one-chip), which were of different makes and varying quality. At the time, we were just doing this for ourselves and not really intending to DO much with it - so it was very much a guerilla operation with virtually no budget. However, we knew we had a really good story - and although our production value was low, we really liked the final product.

So, we decided to have a two-day premiere and drum up some press in the local community. About 500 people came to the event, and everyone responded really well to the movie - despite it's production flaws, some of which are really bad. We actually wrote the movie in such a way as to explain it's shortcomings... that is, that it is a documentary film by a fictional amateur filmmaker. Due to the response we received at the premiere (which was this past February), we decided to submit the movie to some festivals. So far, it has been accepted to two festivals, and has won BEST FEATURE FILM at the Appy Film Fest in Huntington, WV.

The limited success we have received on this project has encouraged us to do more. However, we realize we really need to raise our production value. So, we're doing things now that we didn't have time to do before... conducting series of tests to help us craft our skills. In addition, we are going to work on some short projects, so we can practice these skills without engaging in another 2 year project. While we're doing all of this, we will be developing stories for our next feature project, which we probably won't tackle for at least a year.

We're pretty close to buying a DVX100A, but we haven't made the final decision yet. We're sort of at a crossroads, but I think we will do it. We each have the desire that if we could, we would like to make a living doing this stuff - not necessarily filmmaking, but working in some kind of production environment that would allow us to do filmmaking, at least, on the side. However, right now, we both have regular jobs, that we like, but we're not doing what we love. So, on one level, my question is, what next steps do we take to move toward doing what we love?

Also, as mentioned above, we're conducting a set of tests and I'd like some feedback on these, as well as ideas for next steps, etc. You can see the results of our first lighting test here:

http://films.cubit.net/spare/lightTest01.php

This series of tests was conducted with our next short project in mind, which is going to have a dark, film-noir style to it. So, we're trying to achieve some dramatic, dark lighting effect. I feel the series labeled "U" is the most successful in terms of achieving the style we are going for. We also did some basic three-point lighting tests. We've conducted a second test, and I should have results from that posted soon. That test also involved some split screen testing (our film-noir short is a sci-fi genre that deals with clones), and you can view a test image from that here:

http://films.cubit.net/spare/stills/jpegs/mattSmoke01a.jpg

All the test images, up to this point, have been recorded with a Sony DCR-TRV27, one chip camera. The same camera we used on BTM, although you wouldn't believe it if you compared the two. Taking time to light the scene makes a very big difference. For example, compare the images on the test pages with this still from BTM, which was shot with the same camers (but terribly exposed, and with little thought toward lighting and composition):

http://films.cubit.net/hiyah/printImg2.php?imgId=acd56658864abed8a195aa75200e82eb


So, any feedback on the tests, or just filmmaking in general and idea for next steps for us is greatly appreciated. Once we get our DVX, I definitely want to become more involved with the communnity here and learn from you'll, as well as pass along the things we learn ourselves.

Thanks,
Sledgeweb
 
Hey - I'm a similar age, in a similar boat. For what it's worth from another total novice, I like your lighting tests. Some are appearing extremely dark on my monitor, although I'm still not positive I have my gamma properly calibrated (despite fooling around with it forever).

Clearly you are using a no-fill or minimal fill approach, and I think that works for the dark/sinister look you want. But I would make sure you are not underexposing and losing significant parts of your frame. Remember that "darkness" in video is seldom achieved with actual darkness, but rather with properly employed contrast and *relative* light and shadow. For example, night scenes are usually shot with pretty brightly lit subjects, but the audience "buys in" to the nightime illusion because of the way shadow is used.

Or so I'm told. :)
 
What lights are you using? I'm feeling you are not getting a very good ight level with your setup. I think that some of the shots, actually the majority of them looks whased out for the look you want. The master shot on the smokey table looks way better. Nothing really to comment on the tests, it looked correct, as to lighting position, but a little off in contrast, maybe because of your camera. Practice your lighting as this constantly and it will grow on you. You should buy the DVX and I really liked the still from BTM, thought it was the best looking image of all of them!
 
Lighting isn't just about your foreground subjects. Use light to help bring depth to your shots the same way that deep staging works with characters.

If you don't already have it, go buy or rent the movie "Blade Runner" and take a look at the lighting setups.
 
It's funny you mention Blade Runner, that is one of the big inspirations we're following for this project.

Our big problem right now is, we don't have any barn doors on our lights, so it's hard to control where the light is going. This makes background lighting for depth difficult, because the key light is already lighting the background. Also, we've been doing these tests in a garage, and with no barn doors on the key, the light is bouncing all over the place. We really need to work on background lighting, but I feel like we can't right now because the key is interferring too much.

Our set up right now consists of two 500Watt Halogens as our key (a Home Depot work light), and some 100W halogens for back lighting. We're using a 75W halogen for eye light. We're using a white foam board for bounce opposite the key. Any suggestions or comments on this setup?

I am definitely paying attention to the lighting now whenever I see something, but I haven't really got to where I can understand the setup just by looking at the scene. If anyone has any recommendations on setups to try, or could break down some Blade Runner scenes for me (http://films.cubit.net/spare/morgue/) it would be very helpful.

I think right now, I'm under-exposing a bit, so I will try increasing the exposure. Any other advice?

Thanks!
Sledgeweb
 
Sledgeweb;

Looks like your doing a LOT of experimentations - and that seems to be the right approach!

Did you use after effects for the smoke, or something else?
 
Barn doors aren't everything. Grips use lots of flags to block, shape and diffuse light. You can also use wire screen in a frame to simulate scrims. If you have a frame with half screen half blank you can take down light in one part of the light field while holding it in another. (Home Depot is your friend!)
 
So, you just set up some flags (which are big pieces of opaque material?) near your lights on some stands to block off light? One problem is, the light bounces from everywhere, the ceiling, walls, floor, etc - so how could you flag all of this?
 
What up Sledge, good to see another user from the Lexington area. I thought the master shot at the table was not bad, if you guys do get a DVX, you will be amazed at how well this camera shoots in low light, but it is important to start off with more light than you may need, and bring it down in post. Looks like some good test though man, that's the way to do it.
 
Hi Sledge,
You could use some black wrap (aluminum foil that is black, or just paint it your self) as a way to control your lighting, since you have no barn doors on those lights. Then get some diffusion gels or just bounce the light off of some foam core board. Foam core painted black could work as your flags if you are on a budget and in a pinch. It this making sense to you?
Use the foil or blackwrap as you would barn doors, you might construct a tube shape and attach it to your lighting for way more control over where this light is going.
Happy shooting!
Also, have you looked at the Canon XL2? It is a step up from the 100A but worth looking into if the budget will allow for this.
 
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