Feedback from the Pros
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Walter_Graff
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Re: Feedback from the Pros
it looks real dark to me but then again I don't know what mood you are going for. Tell me what you are trying to achieve in the mood of the scene?
it looks real dark to me but then again I don't know what mood you are going for. Tell me what you are trying to achieve in the mood of the scene?
Re: Feedback from the Pros
What time of day or night is this supposed to be? If she's bathing by moonlight through a window, you're really close. If so, I'd bump it up a stop on one side of her to add some shadow detail. Also, moonlight might be a little closer to a 1/2 or full CTB - the blue in the photo is a little too primary (in my lighting opinion).
Now, if you're going for a typical bathroom, you can do all sorts of things depending on the mood, where your character is emotionally or based on the type of place they live.
For example, your character might live very nicely and have the money for 12 volt, color corrected decorative lighting and candles all round when she bathes - conversely, she might live in a poor flat and suffer under more typical flourescent lighting? If I were lighting this scene for conventional illumination (e.g., overhead single-source fixture in-ceiling) I'd use the white ceiling or a beadboard / foamcore to bounce a 1k or some 650s until I liked the highlight and shadow areas on the talent.
Properly lighting dark skin can produce incredibly rich, saturated results on the DVX - though excessive use of blue doesn't do much from a complexion standpoint. To make this a beauty shot, I'd try and justify 3200k key lighting, then perhaps use a sidelight or highlight in blue to suggest moonlight (if that's where you were going!).
To a great extent, it is up to you as a storyteller to dictate the look somewhat. Good luck!
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What time of day or night is this supposed to be? If she's bathing by moonlight through a window, you're really close. If so, I'd bump it up a stop on one side of her to add some shadow detail. Also, moonlight might be a little closer to a 1/2 or full CTB - the blue in the photo is a little too primary (in my lighting opinion).
Now, if you're going for a typical bathroom, you can do all sorts of things depending on the mood, where your character is emotionally or based on the type of place they live.
For example, your character might live very nicely and have the money for 12 volt, color corrected decorative lighting and candles all round when she bathes - conversely, she might live in a poor flat and suffer under more typical flourescent lighting? If I were lighting this scene for conventional illumination (e.g., overhead single-source fixture in-ceiling) I'd use the white ceiling or a beadboard / foamcore to bounce a 1k or some 650s until I liked the highlight and shadow areas on the talent.
Properly lighting dark skin can produce incredibly rich, saturated results on the DVX - though excessive use of blue doesn't do much from a complexion standpoint. To make this a beauty shot, I'd try and justify 3200k key lighting, then perhaps use a sidelight or highlight in blue to suggest moonlight (if that's where you were going!).
To a great extent, it is up to you as a storyteller to dictate the look somewhat. Good luck!
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Walter_Graff
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Re: Feedback from the Pros
Now i see what you were looking for. About all I'd do different to say window/moon/night is to add some lines. They could be soft textures of light as in a cukaloris but in a bathroom I think window frame lines. Blue is so hard for your eyes to focus on so lines make blue "sharper" and gives the scene a bit of style. In the links below the first shot is me in similar set-up with same light but with some "lines" added. Second shot is how I created lines out of gaffers tape and two stands. Oh don't mind that I got the stand in the left side of the first shot. It was a two second set-up to demonstrate.
http://www.bluesky-web.com/images/bath1.jpg
http://www.bluesky-web.com/images/bath2.jpg
Now i see what you were looking for. About all I'd do different to say window/moon/night is to add some lines. They could be soft textures of light as in a cukaloris but in a bathroom I think window frame lines. Blue is so hard for your eyes to focus on so lines make blue "sharper" and gives the scene a bit of style. In the links below the first shot is me in similar set-up with same light but with some "lines" added. Second shot is how I created lines out of gaffers tape and two stands. Oh don't mind that I got the stand in the left side of the first shot. It was a two second set-up to demonstrate.
http://www.bluesky-web.com/images/bath1.jpg
http://www.bluesky-web.com/images/bath2.jpg
Jim Brennan
VHS Member Old Skool
Re: Feedback from the Pros
You used a blue gel?
You used a blue gel?
Walter_Graff
Carbonite Member
Re: Feedback from the Pros
[quote author=Jim Brennan link=board=lighting;num=1104643470;start=0#8 date=01/04/05 at 19:35:01]You used a blue gel?[/quote]
Can't you see it's the moon coming through a window?
actually it is moonlight blue on a 200 watt fresnel
[quote author=Jim Brennan link=board=lighting;num=1104643470;start=0#8 date=01/04/05 at 19:35:01]You used a blue gel?[/quote]
Can't you see it's the moon coming through a window?
actually it is moonlight blue on a 200 watt fresnel
Jim Brennan
VHS Member Old Skool
Re: Feedback from the Pros
Thanks.
BTW, You looked very relaxed in that pic Walter. Is that the look you were going for?
Thanks.
BTW, You looked very relaxed in that pic Walter. Is that the look you were going for?
Walter_Graff
Carbonite Member
Re: Feedback from the Pros
[quote author=Jim Brennan link=board=lighting;num=1104643470;start=0#10 date=01/04/05 at 22:34:31]Thanks.
BTW, You looked very relaxed in that pic Walter. Is that the look you were going for?[/quote]
I wasn't going for a look actually. i was just laying in the tub and grabbed a frame that seemed appropriate. Although it does get me thinking about how much everything is important (acting, lighting, angles, direction, etc). Had i a different look it might have changed the entire feel. Had i lowered the camera to face height it might have been more threatening or intimate. Had I lit it with more shadows it might have been scarier. These are all things I consider in creating the final product. In this case there was no agenda, simply to show the light effect.
[quote author=Jim Brennan link=board=lighting;num=1104643470;start=0#10 date=01/04/05 at 22:34:31]Thanks.
BTW, You looked very relaxed in that pic Walter. Is that the look you were going for?
[/quote]I wasn't going for a look actually. i was just laying in the tub and grabbed a frame that seemed appropriate. Although it does get me thinking about how much everything is important (acting, lighting, angles, direction, etc). Had i a different look it might have changed the entire feel. Had i lowered the camera to face height it might have been more threatening or intimate. Had I lit it with more shadows it might have been scarier. These are all things I consider in creating the final product. In this case there was no agenda, simply to show the light effect.
Walter_Graff
Carbonite Member
Re: Feedback from the Pros
[quote author=matthewd5 link=board=lighting;num=1104643470;start=0#11 date=01/04/05 at 23:27:34]walter, two questions about your superbly helpful post with the two screen grabs, was the 200 watt fresnel the only light you used? and was that shot with your dvx?
oh and can you say specifically which 200 watt fresnel you used?
matthew[/quote]
It was a 1000 watt LTM pepper with a 200 watt lamp. As for cameras, i simply grabbed my tiny one chip Sony and shot it quickly, no fuss, as this camera is always laying under my computer and i use it all the time for quick ideas I want to transfer to my computer.
[quote author=matthewd5 link=board=lighting;num=1104643470;start=0#11 date=01/04/05 at 23:27:34]walter, two questions about your superbly helpful post with the two screen grabs, was the 200 watt fresnel the only light you used? and was that shot with your dvx?
oh and can you say specifically which 200 watt fresnel you used?
matthew[/quote]
It was a 1000 watt LTM pepper with a 200 watt lamp. As for cameras, i simply grabbed my tiny one chip Sony and shot it quickly, no fuss, as this camera is always laying under my computer and i use it all the time for quick ideas I want to transfer to my computer.