FCPX format here to stay?

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tayproductions

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Just curious to get some opinions on whether the format of FCPX is here to stay and will it catch on with other NLE's. Will others adopt the format of doing away with the traditional timeline? For those just learning editing, is this the future?
 
Maybe. I like having both options available and I wish FCPX would let you toggle this on or off - there are times where I want the timeline to behave like it did before.

The magnetic timeline itself is really cool BUT I wish you had the option of choosing where clips are connected to storyline clips.
 
It has its pros and cons. Patents might be an issue preventing other NLEs from adopting it for a few years.
 
It's here to stay in Final Cut, I doubt Premiere or Avid will go to it, at least not yet.

All their advertising and concentration in the past 8 months or so has been to capture the segment of people jumping ship.

They will have to stay like a traditional NLE for at least a couple more iterations I'd think
 
FCP-X is here to stay. A lot of people are already doing paid work with it, & like using it. It may not be suitable for all projects, but for projects that are mainly tapeless footage that aren't ending up on tape or film and don't need outside help mixing or color grading, FCP-X is actually pretty good.
 
Here is my conundrum... I teach high school video production. Yes, I know editing is editing, but I want to have the students as prepared as possible to enter a production program in college or even walk right into an internship after high school should they wish to. There are things I really like about FCPX and things I don't like. It is so drastically different that I wonder if I would be better off using a traditional NLE. Thoughts?
 
tayproductions said:
Here is my conundrum... I teach high school video production. Yes, I know editing is editing, but I want to have the students as prepared as possible to enter a production program in college or even walk right into an internship after high school should they wish to.
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I'd do 80-90% traditional timeline and throw some of the new magnetic timeline in just in case. Reality is that right now most places are not using FCPX for editing, but (depending on how Apple handles it) might be in the next few years.
 
hendosan said:
Maybe. I like having both options available and I wish FCPX would let you toggle this on or off - there are times where I want the timeline to behave like it did before.

The magnetic timeline itself is really cool BUT I wish you had the option of choosing where clips are connected to storyline clips.
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Push "P" to turn off magnetic timeline. "A" to turn it on.
 
tayproductions said:
Here is my conundrum... I teach high school video production. Yes, I know editing is editing, but I want to have the students as prepared as possible to enter a production program in college or even walk right into an internship after high school should they wish to. There are things I really like about FCPX and things I don't like. It is so drastically different that I wonder if I would be better off using a traditional NLE. Thoughts?
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I would actually teach them FCP 7 or Premiere, those are the only two i come across doing freelance. News stations here in town use Avids, but are getting away from them due to the cost. Just saying a kid is more likely to run into FCP 7 in the wild right now than FCPX. and if ya know 7, Premiere is almost instintive.
 
I would teach them how to ride a horse, since cars aren't going to take off.

Seriously, you said it yourself, editing is editing. So teach them the tool that will feed their hunger to learn how to edit. IMO, FCPX is that tool. It's easier to "pick up" than other NLEs. Easier tools generally make work more enjoyable. More enjoyable work generally leads to more productive and happier people. You get the idea.
 
hendosan said:
Lifesaver. Thanks!
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You're welcome.
Once people get in to FCPX and get past is "few" short comings (external monitoring, which will be solved), they might just change their minds about the platform. It's still only at 10.0.3. Wait until 10.0.4 or even version 11.0.0! What I'm saying is that this is a built from scratch program, from the ground up. I've been using it since day 1 and have grown to love it more and more each time I open it. In fact, I just can't go back to Fcp7 or Premiere as I have grown accustomed to the flow and look of FCPX. I admit, it's not perfect yet, but I have faith in Apple to take me to the promised land!
 
My 2 cents...

I've taught 7 for years, and have been teaching X since Summer. I'm **SURPRISED** at how quickly students are up to speed and cutting on X, and with far fewer errors.

The more I personally edit with it, the more I am coming to enjoy the intuitiveness of the editor (in both magnetic and non magnetic mode). Apple's slogan "Everything just changed in post" is true - it really is a new paradigm of editing. I can understand why the stalwarts of editing hate it, because they changed everything. But the more I peek into the depth of the software, the more I realize they really did keep all of the functionality, it just works differently, and I have to retrain my brain to edit and think differently about how to edit.

Its a gamble - do we teach students how to edit in X, or in track based editing? I fall on the side of BOTH. Start them out with X, and if they have the passion/desire to get into the industry, they can take the concepts they've learned in X and translate much of it to 7 / premiere / Avid..

My 3 cents (inflation during my typing!)

Dillon

BLahey said:
I would actually teach them FCP 7 or Premiere, those are the only two i come across doing freelance. News stations here in town use Avids, but are getting away from them due to the cost. Just saying a kid is more likely to run into FCP 7 in the wild right now than FCPX. and if ya know 7, Premiere is almost instintive.
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dillont said:
My 2 cents...

I've taught 7 for years, and have been teaching X since Summer. I'm **SURPRISED** at how quickly students are up to speed and cutting on X, and with far fewer errors.

The more I personally edit with it, the more I am coming to enjoy the intuitiveness of the editor (in both magnetic and non magnetic mode). Apple's slogan "Everything just changed in post" is true - it really is a new paradigm of editing. I can understand why the stalwarts of editing hate it, because they changed everything. But the more I peek into the depth of the software, the more I realize they really did keep all of the functionality, it just works differently, and I have to retrain my brain to edit and think differently about how to edit.

Its a gamble - do we teach students how to edit in X, or in track based editing? I fall on the side of BOTH. Start them out with X, and if they have the passion/desire to get into the industry, they can take the concepts they've learned in X and translate much of it to 7 / premiere / Avid..

My 3 cents (inflation during my typing!)

Dillon
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Darn inflation!
I do agree with you. You being an instructor, why not try this? Have your new students work in X for a couple weeks, then out of nowhere, put them in FCP7 or any track based NLE and get their reactions. My "4 cents" will bet that they will react harshly and as you for more X lessons.
All things progress. My 5 cents will also bet that other NLE's will emulate what FCPX has going on.
I think it will take a bit more time for FCPX to win the hearts and minds of editors of track based NLE. I just edited a multicam project this week in X and I just can't see going back(wards). So easy to fine tune adjustments and I didn't even look into any tutorials on X's multicam functions. It was a 7 camera take and all went smooth as one would hope for...
If you are an FCPX hater, fine. But if you don't start playing with it, you might get left behind as it develops into a stronger NLE.
 
dillont said:
My 2 cents...

I've taught 7 for years, and have been teaching X since Summer. I'm **SURPRISED** at how quickly students are up to speed and cutting on X, and with far fewer errors.

The more I personally edit with it, the more I am coming to enjoy the intuitiveness of the editor (in both magnetic and non magnetic mode). Apple's slogan "Everything just changed in post" is true - it really is a new paradigm of editing. I can understand why the stalwarts of editing hate it, because they changed everything. But the more I peek into the depth of the software, the more I realize they really did keep all of the functionality, it just works differently, and I have to retrain my brain to edit and think differently about how to edit.

Its a gamble - do we teach students how to edit in X, or in track based editing? I fall on the side of BOTH. Start them out with X, and if they have the passion/desire to get into the industry, they can take the concepts they've learned in X and translate much of it to 7 / premiere / Avid..

My 3 cents (inflation during my typing!)

Dillon
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+1. Slightly different take on my perspective but essentially the same. Start 'em on FCPX and the ones who love editing and stick with it will be able to use another NLE (if/when necessary). You could always wrap up a course with a few lessons on "Now that you know how to edit, here are a few other tools like Avid and Premiere."
 
I have been playing with FCPX for a couple of weeks.
The thing that really stops me from switching over totally from FCP 7
is the file management.

I cannot figure out how to have separate bins for clips.
Once clips are in the project i cannot move them
to other folders or bins or whatever Apple is calling it now....

I have used the app to translate FCP 7 projects to FCPX with mixed success.
FCPX seems to be mostly automatic without much manual control.

I am giving up on FCPX for now. It is cool to have plenty
of new transitions and text effects - but not enough to throw
my FCP 7 out the door.
 
Right click on event(library) and "create folder". The folder is your bin.

HVXguy said:
I have been playing with FCPX for a couple of weeks.
The thing that really stops me from switching over totally from FCP 7
is the file management.

I cannot figure out how to have separate bins for clips.
Once clips are in the project i cannot move them
to other folders or bins or whatever Apple is calling it now....

I have used the app to translate FCP 7 projects to FCPX with mixed success.
FCPX seems to be mostly automatic without much manual control.

I am giving up on FCPX for now. It is cool to have plenty
of new transitions and text effects - but not enough to throw
my FCP 7 out the door.
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HVXguy said:
I have been playing with FCPX for a couple of weeks.
The thing that really stops me from switching over totally from FCP 7
is the file management.

I cannot figure out how to have separate bins for clips.
Once clips are in the project i cannot move them
to other folders or bins or whatever Apple is calling it now....

I have used the app to translate FCP 7 projects to FCPX with mixed success.
FCPX seems to be mostly automatic without much manual control.

I am giving up on FCPX for now. It is cool to have plenty
of new transitions and text effects - but not enough to throw
my FCP 7 out the door.
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WOw! File management is keeping you from FCPX? X has possibly the best file management I've seen for an NLE. All sorts of videos online that discuss how to use it. I recommend spending 10 minutes looking some up.
 
Yep. Best and most powerful/flexible file management system I've ever worked with.

passing projects is a breeze now. As is file management, cataloging, identifying, ... I can organize however I think (and everyone thinks differently).

Dillon


dustylense said:
WOw! File management is keeping you from FCPX? X has possibly the best file management I've seen for an NLE. All sorts of videos online that discuss how to use it. I recommend spending 10 minutes looking some up.
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