FCP HD & DVX100A Specific Problem (Bizarre!)

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DaliBook

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I am new, thanks in advance for the welcome :) And to Barry for helping in the other forum. There, he notes, the problem specific to FCP HD & DVX100A...
http://www.dvxuser.com/cgi-bin/DVX2/YaBB.pl?board=Events;action=display;num=1089661168;start=0#7

Here is the issue, I have FCP HD & a New DVX100A (yesterday) - still having problems with jaggies and interlaced looking frames. I have read almost everything about this I could it seems what I am doing should work. I believe I am recording at 24p Advanced, and capturing from the camera, not a deck, with the 2:3:3:2 Pulldown Removal. I create a sequence at either 23.98 or 24 and still every 4th or 5th frame looks like this (just a test)...
 
http://www.santoriello.com/Testing_100A/BadFrame.jpg
this is a good frame...
http://www.santoriello.com/Testing_100A/GoodFrame.jpg
 
AND... when laying down the clip into the sequence(s), 24 or 23.98, the clip is NOT rendered (red stripe at the top of the sequence) but the smart people already know that... The issue is what in the world can I be doing wrong?

I have read so much about this subject and I still don't know what is going on, it should work, meaning... If I did it right, CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG, I should lay the clip in the sequence and not have to render it, and should not see any frames that are interlaced, right?

I tried to capture using "Firewire NTSC" and "Firewire NTSC NDF". I believe it was the "NDF" that stopped EVERY frame from being interlaced, as stated above, now I see 1 interlaced frame out of every 4 or 5 - Was it the "NDF"? Sometime I hear people say "If you do it right, no problems" and I hear people like Barry say "There are definately issues using FCP HD with DVX100A". I am not a newbie to all this, but something is clearly wrong...

FCP HD, DVX100A, or ME! Which is it? :)
 
Re: FCP HD & DVX100A Specific Problem (Bizarre

Re: FCP HD & DVX100A Specific Problem (Bizarre

Point of clarification: I'm not saying that there are definitely issues using FCP HD with the DVX. I'm saying that I see a lot of people complaining about it, and apparently the proper process is not so obvious. I'm sure it works fine when all the steps are followed, but I see a lot of frustrated people on various boards always struggling with FCP and 24P, so hopefully someone somewhere can elucidate the exact steps someone needs to follow to properly use 24P/DVX/FCP.
 
Inside the sequence settings

Inside the sequence settings

Barry,

Even though I am sorry if I misrepresented - that is good news. Your statement assumes, I hope, that there is defienately a "RIGHT" way and a "WRONG" way - thats better than the alternative!

I am starting to pay attention to some things I took for granted, and that "just worked" previously, inside of Final Cut Pro, maybe I can help the better educated elimate some possibilities or find the/my problem (or mistake)....

Inside of the "Sequence Settings", I see this...
- "Frame Size" is automatically set to "NTSC DV (3:2)", did not change it.
- "Pixel Aspect Ratio" is "NTSC - CCIR 601 / DV", which I must admit, I don't remember seeing before, as embarrassing as that is.
- "Compressor" is "DV/DVPRO - NTSC", did not change it

Other than that, the only other thing of note is the "Easy Set Up", when I choose the "DV / NTSC 24p ( 23.98 ) Advanced Pulldown Removal", the "Device Control Presets" is "Firewire NTSC" and is NOT using "Firewire NTSC NDF"... yes I tried both, see above.

got that :)

Thanks again in advance
 
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Re: FCP HD & DVX100A Specific Problem (Bizarre

If you have it set up correctly, no you shouldn't have to render a straight edit.

Audio/Video settings
Sequence: DV NTSC 48 kHz - 23.98
Capture: DV NTSC 48 kHz Advanced (2:3:3:2) Pulldown Removal
Device control: Firewire NTSC NDF

Check to make sure you in fact are recording 24PA. If you have all the displays turned on in the viewfinder/LCD it shoudl say 24pa on left. Otherwise go into the scene settings and make it so (default scene file F6 is 24PA)
 
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Re: FCP HD & DVX100A Specific Problem (Bizarre

Scott - "THEE" the perfect advice!

Please post this somewhere...
"24pa - Before you ask, turn on all displays in the viewfinder, so you can see the "24pa" in the viewfinder. This needs to be done, for beginners at least because, as you turn the "Scene File" dial (F1, F2, F3, F4, F5, F6) you change the ability for the camera to actually be in or record "24pa" video - and you don't want to forget that - just look at the viewfinder.

I would also add the sentance below "IF" this statement correct...
The "Scene Dial" must be at "F6", it is used for "24pa", and there is "NO" other way to record video for a "24pa" capture.

Is that statement correct? Please enlighten?


Note to Barry & Scott...
Barry - This must be the issue that you keep hearing about from others regrading FCP HD & DVX100A - I hope.
Scott - you rock, you saved the day :)
 
Re: FCP HD & DVX100A Specific Problem (Bizarre

Re: FCP HD & DVX100A Specific Problem (Bizarre

By default scene file F6 is the only scene file setting for 24pa and is the easiest for users to start with setting specific modes.
However advanced users can change all the scene files so they all record 24pa (or any other frame rate) with different color responses or other details.

Note that you can also record 24p and deal with it in fcp. This would require 3:2 removal as a separate step (if you want 23.98 fps sequence) or you can just use it as captured in a normal 29.97 video sequence.
 
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Re: FCP HD & DVX100A Specific Problem (Bizarre

[quote author=Barry_Green link=board=FCP;num=1089663935;start=0#1 date=07/12/04 at 13:32:57]Point of clarification: I'm not saying that there are definitely issues using FCP HD with the DVX.  I'm saying that I see a lot of people complaining about it, and apparently the proper process is not so obvious.  I'm sure it works fine when all the steps are followed, but I see a lot of frustrated people on various boards always struggling with FCP and 24P, so hopefully someone somewhere can elucidate the exact steps someone needs to follow to properly use 24P/DVX/FCP.[/quote]

Too many options perhaps... 24p, 24pa, 16:9 (letterbox, squeeze and anamorphic), and all the permutations. For me, it worked the very first time and always has since. Not being contrite, but people can struggle with anything it seems... you should have seen the person I was stuck behind at the ATM this morning...
 
Re: FCP HD & DVX100A Specific Problem (Bizarre

Re: FCP HD & DVX100A Specific Problem (Bizarre

Learning, learning, learning - thanks for the help and the forum :)
 
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