Extreme Bokeh stills

disjecta

disjecta

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Shot this at a soccer game this morning. Light was really dull...sun never appeared.

Most are shot with my 200mm f4. The bokeh is not great in it's most open position so I closed it down to f5.6. The trade off is nicer bokeh but you begin to see the GG pattern. It's not such an issue with faster lenses and, let's face it, f4 is probably slower than most people use here.

The other lens used was a 100mm f2.8 set to f4. Can't remember which still had this lens...sorry...

Anyway, here are a bunch of stills showing the Extreme's bokeh. Keep the lens closed a bit and it gets rid of a lot of that ghosty diffused look:

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The slowest usually I'll go would be F2.8 with my lenses to avoid the gain and the G.G pattern from showing up with vibrating adapters, And if you said that one should step down to F4 to get better Bokeh with the Extreme or Keep the lens closed a bit and it gets rid of a lot of that ghosty diffused look.

Is this not very limiting with the use of this adapter with lights in the background ?
 
It's a trade off, David. Nice bokeh, you lose some light. Not so good bokeh, you get great low light performance.
 
Remember too, that bad bokeh tends to be less aparent when in moving shots , IMO - you don't really have the time to sit and critique it like you can in a still - I'm sure neither of these shots would even bother me as full motion video. We tend to analyze them like still photograph images, and while they are to a certain degree, I'd be more concerned about good / bad bokeh on static shots than on anything where there is signifigant movement in frame.

as always, really nice images, Steven

cheno
 
I can see the grain quite clearly. Looks like very fast lenses are what is needed.

And girls play football over there?
 
Steve Shovlar said:
I can see the grain quite clearly. Looks like very fast lenses are what is needed.

And girls play football over there?
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I'm not so sure that is grain from the GG we are seeing. without motion, the grain could be due to compression.
 
DavidChia said:
The slowest usually I'll go would be F2.8 with my lenses to avoid the gain and the G.G pattern from showing up with vibrating adapters, And if you said that one should step down to F4 to get better Bokeh with the Extreme or Keep the lens closed a bit and it gets rid of a lot of that ghosty diffused look.

Is this not very limiting with the use of this adapter with lights in the background ?
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Good grief.
 
DavidChia said:
The slowest usually I'll go would be F2.8 with my lenses to avoid the gain and the G.G pattern from showing up with vibrating adapters, And if you said that one should step down to F4 to get better Bokeh with the Extreme or Keep the lens closed a bit and it gets rid of a lot of that ghosty diffused look.

Is this not very limiting with the use of this adapter with lights in the background ?
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Translation? Not sure what you're trying to say. I'm a little slow.
 
So check this out...not all bokeh in big movie productions has that circular quality.... here are two stills from the Bourne Supremacy:

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disjecta said:
It's a trade off, David. Nice bokeh, you lose some light. Not so good bokeh, you get great low light performance.
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To have such a bright adaptor is the ability to shoot in low light, with the lens wide open. If you have to stop down to get a good bokeh What is the point of having it so bright?
 
David, you seem to be fighting this bokeh business so vehemently, I don't understand why you are trying to make the Extreme something it's not. The Extreme is what it is and if you have a problem with it, buy one of the other adapters. There are many people here that are not bothered by the bokeh of the Extreme and are either willing to live with it or make some compromises.

Let it go, my friend, and be happy with another adapter.

I mean all of this respectfully, it's just that the same complaint every day gets a little old.
 
Great stills from Bourne, Steven. This is a point I made earlier - how many of us are complaining about the bokeh in many of the feature films that looks very similar to the 35mm adapters we're railing over - Bourne's got odd shaped bokeh and it looks fine. The Ocean's films have it and it looks fine. Transformers has it and it looks fine... why does it not matter? Because we're concerned about what's in focus - hopefully that's where the story lies -

Too many of us have gotten WAY carried away overall of this - again, I'm very excited to take ownership of my LEX - counting the days :)

-cheno
 
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