Exporting Ppro1.5 to MPEG2

Rick Meyer

Rick Meyer

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Please...talk to me like I am a 3rd grader. I have recently been rendering out some footage that looks so-so. There are some digital artifacts in the foreheads of some people, some other artifacts in clothing etc. My render is not comiong out nearly as clean as it should.

If anyone out there has a sucessful rendering techniques/settings, please share them with me and the others. Thanks!

This way, If I try what I know works, and if I STILL get artifacts, I will know it is my footage...

Thanks in advance!
Rick
PS I am serious...3rd grader. Spell it out. I am on a short bus and you are the driver...
 
OK, third grader level, I'll try. In order to answer your question, more information is needed.

What camera is this from?
What mode was the camera operating in?
How are you viewing the MPEG2, DVD?
Can you post a grab of the "artifacts" that you are seeing?
 
Khmuse-

You have been here to answer my questions a lot lately. I am going to have to start paying you...or at least send you a Christmas card.

Okay, last week, you helped me to isolate my REAL digital artifact problem that was a result of the combination of quick panning/adding steadymove pro/and mini DV limitations with compression. I have left that "problem" alone until now and am currently trying to "hide" or "minimize" the problem by considering a filter or effect that might make the blotchy smearing seem less apparent.

However, the NEW issues are a lot less blatant but I want to clean it up. This is for my sister and I want it to look as perfect as possible. I am learning a LOT on this project. For starters, I am VERY anal. But, I am also learning what NOT to do next time while I am shooting as to make my life so much easier in front of the computer.

As for your questions:
This is the same project: Shot on DVX. 30p. Squeeze. And, this will go to MPEG 2 to be put on a DVD with DVD Encore.

As for posting a grab of the artifacts? I could but I have yet to get rid of the horrible web hosting site that I am currently using. But, I can try to explain...the artifacts just look like what a drop of axle grease or oil would look like in a bin of water. And, these "problem areas" are usually noticed in foreheads. It's usually a brief screwy-ness with the footage, then it stops, but its something that I notice. And it is bugging the hell out of me.

I should also mention that this footage is in slow-motion. I don't know if that F's with the final output in terms of quality but I just thought I'd mention it.

Rick
Okay, at the risk of you killing me, I will try to upload a brief 10 second clip for you to look at. I apologize in advance for the crap host I am currently using.
 
http://files.filefront.com/DVXclipwmv/;4403617;;/fileinfo.html

Okay, here it is. Please don't kill me for my host.

What I am asking you to look at is more apparent in a higher quality AVI. However, you still might be able to see what it is I am talking about. There are 3 clips cut together. In the first, my brother's forehead is not "clean". You can also see really crap quality with the footage in the background, near the Pepsi machine and on/or around the metal bannister going up the steps. In the second clip, the blond's forehead is also not clean. And finally, and probably the best example, is my nieces dress. Especially around her neckline. The pink and her little neck...not so clean. Sorry, I don't know of any better way to describe it. But, I hope you can see what I am talking about.

Thanks again!
Rick
PS Live in Cali for 8 years. I'm kinda missing the blue skies.
 
Looked at the clip that you posted. Well, since this is slow motion, I am assuming that this was all done in post and not in camera (just kidding, I am certain of that statement). This is likely a big cause of the artifacts. I would suggest you export a segment slowed down and the same segment that is not. Compare the two. If there is a lot of difference in quality (which I suspect will be the case) then you will know the cause.

Post back the results of this test and well go from there.
 
shoot man. I feel like I am in class. All kidding aside, I am enormously thankful for your troubleshooting advice.

Rick
PS It have to run right now but will definitely grab some non-treated footage and take a look. You are being very helpful. Let me ask...did you notice the artifacts I was describing or am I crazy? I know it's subtle...
 
Okay Update:

I have been very busy with school, work, and rehearsal and haven't had a chance to upload a clip of non-treated footage. However, this morning I grabbed a clip of the crap footage and grabbed the same clip of non-treated footage and rendered them out and dropped them on a CD for my Professor to look at today. Well, when I looked at the footage, BOTH had the digital artifacts and smearing. So, it is not Steadymove Pro. It happens after I render it. Because even the clip (which looked fine directly after capture) had the artifacts after the render.

I showed it to him and he says hes 100% sure it's compression issues. He told me to find a better codec or render it uncompressed. Uncompressed. I thought I WAS doing this. I will have to go in and re-check my settings. But, can anyone offer a screen print perhaps of the settings you use to export to a Quicktime or AVI to maintain the best possible quality? Please?

As another note, this digital crap happens even when I render it out as an MPEG 2 straight to DVD from PPro1.5. So, I am really lost here.

Any advice I'll appreciate. And for those of you who have already helped out, KHMUSE, BALUARDO, thank you very much.

Rick
 
Hey Rick,

Just use Premiere's command

Ctrl + M

or

Export

Movie...

Name your files output, then under "Settings" , "Video" uncheck the "Recompress" option.

You will now have an uncompressed .avi file which should look much better than your .m2v

Let us know how this works for you.
 
Good God are you kidding me??? This problem was driving me to drink! I cannot believe how idiotic I have been to miss such a seemingly small thing.

I just rendered out a captured clip of the cliff, with NO COMPRESSION, recompression UNchecked, and BLAMMO!...THE footage looked perfect. I cannot believe I overlooked this.

Khmuse- I owe you one big time! Next time I am in LA (or Orange County)...I owe you a beer!...or seven!

Rick
 
Hey Rick,

Glad to have been able to help.

As the old expression goes, the devil is in the details.:evil:

Too bad I did recognize that was how you were exporting your footage earlier!

By the way, I tend to like stouts!:beer:
 
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