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morgan_moore

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After a ping pong on facebp I tried to make a little vid showing cleaner shadown when one exposes right (top of the wfm)

It is interesting how difficult it is to try and sustain a 'thread' f understandable logic while making such a video, especially when the YT compression might completely hide and advantages
any thoughts on my commuication skills (or lack of) and the general concept of the video.

 
I didn't watch it and it could be the best ETTR video in the world, but not many are going to sit through this length (for something that's not so complex).

90 seconds tops...

I don't do this anymore, but in normal or dark circumstances (meaning like there's no huge window or something else producing a large swing in DR), I used to completely blow out my entire camera screen where I could barely make out anything until just one slight hint of a zebra 95 popped up somewhere. Then I'd drag it all down in post before the LUT and it's fine. Problem was it was very high-key, which could be good for the purpose but not always.
 
It should he noted that exposing "right" is not the same thing as exposing "correctly. I'd rather expose correctly.
 
well if you expose correctly you will get a noisier image I would suggest - its hard to see with the YT compression, I hould export some tiffs or something

certainly for this camera (and my old fs7 too)
 
NorBro said:
I didn't watch it and it could be the best ETTR video in the world, but not many are going to sit through this length (for something that's not so complex).

90 seconds tops...

I don't do this anymore, but in normal or dark circumstances (meaning like there's no huge window or something else producing a large swing in DR), I used to completely blow out my entire camera screen where I could barely make out anything until just one slight hint of a zebra 95 popped up somewhere. Then I'd drag it all down in post before the LUT and it's fine. Problem was it was very high-key, which could be good for the purpose but not always.
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thanks for , not, watching - that is useful feedback

there is a balance of 'this 30 second will make you an awesome cinematographer' (which of course it wont) and clumping through at a pace which those you are interested can follow
 
It's a nice video. In our "I have the attention span of a two year old" world, I thought it was paced well and covered everything. My only criticism is the first 14 seconds lose the audience. Get right into it.
 
morgan_moore said:
thanks for , not, watching - that is useful feedback

there is a balance of 'this 30 second will make you an awesome cinematographer' (which of course it wont) and clumping through at a pace which those you are interested can follow
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It could be useful if it enlightens you, maybe? IDK

There are thousands of videos on this topic since 2012. Tons revolving Blackmagic cameras (it was a huge topic on the BM forum that led to some extreme arguments and you know I was in the middle of them, lol).

I skimmed through the video and I can't patiently follow.

But it's me, not you; I can't sit and watch a person think, experiment.

One has to be extremely efficient in their delivery of information straight to my receptors to hold my attention.

I need to have interest almost immediately after pressing play to not close the window. I don't know if this is a good thing.
 
This is what many of us did with our BM cameras back in the day (keep in mind this is CinemaDNG, a very strong RAW format).

Like exactly this, couldn't see anything, it was amusing, ha.

Today, I am trying to get the image as close as possible inside the camera, which means even avoiding LOG in all situations besides outdoors in harsh conditions.

 
that video is classically dumb half info.

we have no concept of what the viewer saw in camera - vision or tools, lut or not

we have no idea where (in which nle) he is seeing that bright image

he is not 'fixing' it in camera raw he is adjusting it

his grades are not really grades

so im giving that 0/3

And that is what the slow delivery should be beating .. or not.

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Clearly if you have to have that 4 stops over look on location you could neither operate properly or show your director an image.. so completely unusable on location?
 
It's a perfect video for BM users, but I do agree with you that since it doesn't have any context someone not part of that world will not understand any of it. But any Blackmagic user (at least then) does.

And, yes, completely unusable on location (that's the amusing part) if you didn't have an external monitor making the exposure correction.

So this technique was not a very practical one for almost anyone besides those wanting to capture as much dynamic range as possible mostly for b-roll.

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And to provide you a little context about the video, what he most likely did (since, again, this was so popular to do) is just set the zebras to 100 or 95 and expose right to the very edge just before the first one pops up.

That's it. Then the footage is treated like a photo because you could actually open it up in Photoshop, etc.
 
ive shot a featre 2015 on the silver bm and own a micro and have a feel for raw cameras in stills since 2001 odd, sinar, kodak nikon, canon whatever.

Ive never seen an ability to recover highlights you could not see on the monitor or histogram on the BM?

I did some testing at the time vs my pmw f3/10 bit

the BM won because it was lighter to carry
 
We used photo applications back then. Corrected one frame, copied and pasted the settings to the rest, exported a batch of them and then threw them onto a timeline and they played back like video because video is essentially pictures in motion. A motion picture.

I used Lightroom.

Resolve was drastically different in 2013 so don't think it was much help then. Not sure how it looks or operates these days (besides knowing it's much better).

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The most difficult part everyone has trouble grasping with this (including myself in the beginning) is that the footage just looks terribly overexposed and damaged, but it's not.

So you're not recovering any highlights; you're making an adjustment (which is the word you used above and I think the best one to use). You're dragging the exposure slider down, you're adjusting it down.

If you see 100/95 zebras on your BM screen, the footage is gone, or some of it. Highlight recovery might help a bit but it will look wack.

If you don't see those zebras on your Blackmagic screen (or any other screen), it's not gone, everything just looks washed out.
 
Nothing I saw was ever washed out so I could not see it.

Not like the 2 stops you can get back on a raw still

Sure light and not moody, not a director happy look, but not white like that video.

Maybe he shot at '800' and boosted in post slider for the start of his video, the white shots and then pulled it back - making the BM raw look magic.. which it isnt :)
 
I'm not sure what you're saying, but there's nothing special about this.

The camera screen looks that white and blown out when you're doing this technique and then it's just dragged down later in post.

Maybe an important part to mention is that the camera monitors don't have enough DR to properly show all of the DR so that's why it's misleading. You're only relying on the image data information tools, the zebras in this case.

But, yeah, the screen is completely white like in that video if one does it this way.
 
Hmm - well I never found that. the screen was white. so maybe I wanst doing a really big ETTR just little one

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Anyway really the question was if my video communicates.

And clerly it doesnt .. doug moved on you are telling me you have seen it all before

So thats good feedback .. must try harder.. or not at all :)

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Your screen was white or wasn't? if it was white like you wrote above then you did it good, right?
 
when using a bm i never openind to a white screen, with the canon I dont either - I watch the wfm and open til cip and then close a bit.
 
Not that it matters anymore and we can move on, but did you shoot CinemaDNG at ISO 800 on the Micro Cinema?
 
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