Einstein talks about FCPX.

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Jonathan12uiz

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Ok I'm well aware that FCPX has infuriated a lot of professional editors who have been using this series of software for years.

BUT! like einstein says
"Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius -- and a lot of courage -- to move in the opposite direction."
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Think of this... if apple would just continue support of the OLD FCP7 until FCPX is in fact PRO level, then I believe this will solve a lot of issues.

I don't really see FCPX as iMovie PRO, I just think that it simplifies the complicated, now granted if you are use to the old editing styles, it is complicated to learn a whole new process, but if this new process will revolutionize your editing workflow, then why not invest some time into it?

I am not getting rid of FCP7, but I'm not getting rid of FCPX either. I use both now. Learning to like FCPX greatly with some of it's features.

I started editing on Windows movie maker back in the day, moved from WMM to Adobe Premiere, then tried Vegas, back to premiere, then ultimately moved to FCP because of its new features compared to adobe.

with Apples new product FCPX, i'm investing time into learning the new setup so that when the time comes for FCPX to step back into the spotlight, I will be fluent in how it works.

I'm all about expanding my skillsets. I still do project with friends on PP, but I mainly use FCP7. I see FCPX as a new tool.

I would just advise apple to not call it an upgrade, but a new product.

I don't really know about anyone else, but i'm almost tired of hearing how BAD FCPX is, IMHO it's not bad, its different.
 
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Searcher said:
Nice quote by Einstein. I am all about simplicity. Maybe that's why I like FCPX.
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Thanks man, I know the app is a pain to dedicated pros, but I'm not about to throw out the possibility that this app can become pro and in turn make editing simpler.
 
I agree. I'm just researching info to buy my first NLE, and it's looking like fcpx is going to be for me. This seems like the perfect opportunity to jump in and grow with Final Cut. By the time I ever need those missing features (if ever), hopefully they will be there from apple or third party. I greatly appreciate the simplicity of fcpx over other software. Out of all the complaints about fcpx, it's editing function doesn't seem to be one of them.

What I don't understand are so called professionals that are so anxious to get their money back and switch. Switching is fine, but to even worry about a paltry $300 for something that does what this does seems a little premature. Keep using what you know in FCS or CS5 and tinker with fcpx on the side. It will get better and change over time. Why not learn it just for the sake of learning it. I've spent more than $300 on pieces of photo gear that I only use rarely or even that I feel will come in handy at some point. If I had Mac hardware, I think it would be a no brainer just to keep it regardless. Who knows what the future will bring.
 
f64manray said:
I agree. I'm just researching info to buy my first NLE, and it's looking like fcpx is going to be for me. This seems like the perfect opportunity to jump in and grow with Final Cut. By the time I ever need those missing features (if ever), hopefully they will be there from apple or third party. I greatly appreciate the simplicity of fcpx over other software. Out of all the complaints about fcpx, it's editing function doesn't seem to be one of them.

What I don't understand are so called professionals that are so anxious to get their money back and switch. Switching is fine, but to even worry about a paltry $300 for something that does what this does seems a little premature. Keep using what you know in FCS or CS5 and tinker with fcpx on the side. It will get better and change over time. Why not learn it just for the sake of learning it. I've spent more than $300 on pieces of photo gear that I only use rarely or even that I feel will come in handy at some point. If I had Mac hardware, I think it would be a no brainer just to keep it regardless. Who knows what the future will bring.
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It's nice to see you guys appreciating what us Vegas users have enjoyed for years... :beer:
 
f64manray said:
What I don't understand are so called professionals that are so anxious to get their money back and switch. Switching is fine, but to even worry about a paltry $300 for something that does what this does seems a little premature. Keep using what you know in FCS or CS5 and tinker with fcpx on the side. It will get better and change over time. Why not learn it just for the sake of learning it. I've spent more than $300 on pieces of photo gear that I only use rarely or even that I feel will come in handy at some point. If I had Mac hardware, I think it would be a no brainer just to keep it regardless. Who knows what the future will bring.
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It has been stated time and time again on here. It would appear to us that Apple is not interested in supporting our needs. Now even people who train for Apple software are saying the same thing.

http://www.larryjordan.biz/app_bin/wordpress/archives/1530

As far as people requesting refunds go, emotions were running high. People were mad that their entire workflow was ruined without thought by Apple. There are post-production people out there who now have to spend the next two months or so learning a new system and switching all of their tools. How would you feel if someone told you that you won't get paid for the next couple month while you learn a new tool. Then on top of that, you have to build up clients for Adobe or Avid.

The problem with FCPX isn't that it is missing "editing" function. It was not thought of to work in a professional workflow at all. Apple does not want us. You don't have to work in broadcast TV to need to work with someone else doing sound in Pro Tools. Every indie film I have ever worked on did sound in Pro Tools. A lot of people will want to do color work too. Now that the program Color is dead, that pretty much leaves DaVinci Resolve. When will FCPX work with Resolve. Will it ever? Since those questions can't be answered definitively, people who work in professional environments including indie films do not trust Apple.

If you are doing this for fun, jump into things with FCPX if it is your first editor.

If you want to make a living out of digital video, I hope that you get to a point to where you are looking for a new editor years down the road. It would be worth trying Premier to see a different interface, assuming that the NLE concepts of Premier and Avid stay that route. My only thought would be as you work your way up, you might wish you were using a tool with more acceptance in the industry. I am young enough that I got started in Final Cut. That acceptance is why I started with FCP. However, it looks like that acceptance is now gone. As far as schools go, NYU said they aren't going to buy FCPX either.
 
blackcat said:
It has been stated time and time again on here. It would appear to us that Apple is not interested in supporting our needs. Now even people who train for Apple software are saying the same thing.

http://www.larryjordan.biz/app_bin/wordpress/archives/1530

As far as people requesting refunds go, emotions were running high. People were mad that their entire workflow was ruined without thought by Apple. There are post-production people out there who now have to spend the next two months or so learning a new system and switching all of their tools. How would you feel if someone told you that you won't get paid for the next couple month while you learn a new tool. Then on top of that, you have to build up clients for Adobe or Avid.

The problem with FCPX isn't that it is missing "editing" function. It was not thought of to work in a professional workflow at all. Apple does not want us. You don't have to work in broadcast TV to need to work with someone else doing sound in Pro Tools. Every indie film I have ever worked on did sound in Pro Tools. A lot of people will want to do color work too. Now that the program Color is dead, that pretty much leaves DaVinci Resolve. When will FCPX work with Resolve. Will it ever? Since those questions can't be answered definitively, people who work in professional environments including indie films do not trust Apple.

If you are doing this for fun, jump into things with FCPX if it is your first editor.

If you want to make a living out of digital video, I hope that you get to a point to where you are looking for a new editor years down the road. It would be worth trying Premier to see a different interface, assuming that the NLE concepts of Premier and Avid stay that route. My only thought would be as you work your way up, you might wish you were using a tool with more acceptance in the industry. I am young enough that I got started in Final Cut. That acceptance is why I started with FCP. However, it looks like that acceptance is now gone. As far as schools go, NYU said they aren't going to buy FCPX either.
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That's all understandable, but as I understand it according to the FAQ from Apple, they do intend to support a professional production flow. Things like Automatic Duck seem to be able fill many of those holes now, and I swear I read something somewhere that Apple will support export to Pro Tools this summer. Sorry, I've been reading so much lately, I don't remember where I read that. I've been using the same copy of photoshop elements for many years. It does what I need it to do. I'm looking forward to upgrading to the new Photo Shop, but really, I'm quite comfortable with what I have as it just works. I'm not sure why FCP7 is suddenly crap. It works great, so hear. I don't understand the rush of OMG, what are we going to do now.

From my reading, there was just no way around this. The car needed a whole new engine and chassis for progress to occur. I understand pros want what they're used to, but as a new guy, I'm certainly intrigued by a nearly pro program that has the ease of use of Imovie. I'm betting that fcpx will grow with me. There's a vast market of photographers that are just getting into video via DSLR, and this really seems ideally served up for them. Although part of me want to get CS5.5 and learn it as well. It seems beneficial to learn both. Right now though, I just want as much ease of use as possible without the steep learning curve to get in the way of my creativity. From my research so far, I think Apple has a huge winner here for a very large segment of the video editing market.
 
f64manray said:
I'm just researching info to buy my first NLE, and it's looking like fcpx is going to be for me.
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Would you deem it possible that people who work for years with NLE's may have - for good reasons . another take on this and that their experience counts in relation to your inexperience?

f64manray said:
By the time I ever need those missing features (if ever), hopefully they will be there from apple or third party.
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How do you know that? And why you think people are a bit upset that features that were already integrated are now ones we - maybe - will get from "third party"? And which third party?.

f64manray said:
I greatly appreciate the simplicity of fcpx over other software.
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Is it acceptable for you that professionals do care more about professionality than for simplicity?

f64manray said:
Out of all the complaints about fcpx, it's editing function doesn't seem to be one of them.
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Are you sure about that and do you believe the complaints are primarily about editing?

f64manray said:
What I don't understand are so called professionals ...
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And you know they are "so called" how....?

f64manray said:
It will get better and change over time.
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What if the time for a professional is "now" and he is sitting on a bigger budgeted project and needs security for his investments?

f64manray said:
If I had Mac hardware...
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This is self-explaining.
 
blackcat said:
It has been stated time and time again on here. It would appear to us that Apple is not interested in supporting our needs. Now even people who train for Apple software are saying the same thing.
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A friend of mine is in mobile-phone sales. A few years ago, at the times of iPhone 3G he was a pro-sales meeting by Apple. After hearing about games for 1 hour he and most other salespeople who have professional clients left, because the iPhone was just a toy even without MS - Exchange compatibility.

Soon after they got invited again. And the iPhone was the best businessphone suddenly with almost every connection-interface to databases and logistictools imaginable.
Apple makes products than can be marketed. The FCPX is a great step-up from iMovie. And there are a lot of iMovie users. So they get a base of millions and then they add (or have 3rd party adding) the tools. If they lose the top of the area....they won´t care. Apple doesn´t need the "every graphics professional uses a Mac" anymore. They are so strong with the iGadgets, they don´t need the "few millions" from Hollywood as long as they are in every movie anyway!

FCPX will be a great tool sooner than later, but Apple doesn´t really feel the heat from lost professional users in their wallet. So they keep moving at their pace. We just have to stay patient.
 
Apple has not given a timeline, and the company destroyed a lot of trust. They also haven't made it clear how much support they will really give. It took a long time for Final Cut Pro to be accepted in a professional environment--I am counting indie film with a budget here. With a damaged reputation, it is hard to imagine FCP regaining its prestige in production with a budget, including indie films with a budget.

If it is a good fit for you for now, go for it. As it stands, you have little to lose. You might find that while we all switched, so did the job opportunities. This might only matter to you if you are going to work on productions with a budget, instead of personal projects.

DSLR is a nice entry into video, but a lot of the slick stuff made with DSLR was done with a serious production workflow. If this is for a hobby, you can use anything that fits your needs. iMovie, Sony Vegas, or so many other options could work too. As soon as you are looking to pay the bills with video, the way you pick tools will change.
 
tipota said:
Would you deem it possible that people who work for years with NLE's may have - for good reasons . another take on this and that their experience counts in relation to your inexperience?


How do you know that? And why you think people are a bit upset that features that were already integrated are now ones we - maybe - will get from "third party"? And which third party?.


Is it acceptable for you that professionals do care more about professionality than for simplicity?



Are you sure about that and do you believe the complaints are primarily about editing?


And you know they are "so called" how....?


What if the time for a professional is "now" and he is sitting on a bigger budgeted project and needs security for his investments?


This is self-explaining.
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Dude, relax and enjoy FCP7 or switch to CS5.5. I never said their complaints aren't valid, but these complaints don't apply to me where I am at the moment. I think I'll go with fcpx now, and I'll see where they are 5 years from now when/if I'm hitting some walls.

Have a good one.
 
alpi69 said:
A friend of mine is in mobile-phone sales. A few years ago, at the times of iPhone 3G he was a pro-sales meeting by Apple. After hearing about games for 1 hour he and most other salespeople who have professional clients left, because the iPhone was just a toy even without MS - Exchange compatibility.

Soon after they got invited again. And the iPhone was the best businessphone suddenly with almost every connection-interface to databases and logistictools imaginable.
Apple makes products than can be marketed. The FCPX is a great step-up from iMovie. And there are a lot of iMovie users. So they get a base of millions and then they add (or have 3rd party adding) the tools. If they lose the top of the area....they won´t care. Apple doesn´t need the "every graphics professional uses a Mac" anymore. They are so strong with the iGadgets, they don´t need the "few millions" from Hollywood as long as they are in every movie anyway!

FCPX will be a great tool sooner than later, but Apple doesn´t really feel the heat from lost professional users in their wallet. So they keep moving at their pace. We just have to stay patient.
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People didn't have a workflow for their day to day living that relied on a heavy investment in an iPhone. Comparing sales of a consumer product to people who have to design a professional workflow like a professional editor is a bit silly. Even the hourly rate for a younger professional editor is high enough that they can't waste time on software that is not going to get the job done efficiently. We don't have to stay patient. We are moving on. NYU is telling students not to buy FCPX, because they have their students' interest in mind. They want their students to be able to get jobs, and using questionable software that might get there at some point is not exactly job security.

A lot of people don't make it in professional film and video. The reason is simple: they don't get the freelancer market and what it takes to build marketable skills. Creativity and art are wonderful for personal projects. Making it in the freelance world is cutthroat. You make it or you don't. We are not going to sit around and wait for a company that is willing to move at its own pace. We have our own.
 
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f64manray said:
Dude, relax and enjoy FCP7 or switch to CS5.5. I never said their complaints aren't valid, but these complaints don't apply to me where I am at the moment. I think I'll go with fcpx now, and I'll see where they are 5 years from now when/if I'm hitting some walls.

Have a good one.
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There are hard feelings in the air, because of how things went down. A lot of us are in a transition. It doesn't have anything to do with you. It sounds like you are in the core market for FCPX right now. If you want to work your way up in the freelance world, you may want to consider other options down the road.
 
blackcat said:
. NYU is telling students not to buy FCPX, because they have their students' interest in mind. They want their students to be able to get jobs, and using questionable software that might get there at some point is not exactly job security.
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I guess they're trying to get ready for the fall and see what they need to teach, but that seems way premature to tell a student not to buy something that's almost free. It seems their students would be better off being as flexible as possible in their post education environment. And in 4-5 years that could well include fcpx as well as CS5.5. It's not exactly like it's a huge investment. Why not have the most diversified skill set possible. NYU doesn't have a clue where this willl be in even 9 months. It's still shaking out. I wonder if even they've embraced DSLR for education purposes yet.
 
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