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I have used Vegas since v4.5, and have been the greatest Vegas evangelist the world has ever know, until 8.1...
I would have to say Vegas 8c was the best NLE in 32 bit guise the world has ever seen, but we don't live in a 32 bit world anymore, and Sony has stuffed up their product by being stubborn. I am so grateful I demo'd 8.1 before buying. I had high hopes that they would have corrected the problems (all to do with codecs) in 9, but it is worse. I'm sure if you are only going to work with Sony cameras and Sony codecs, it will rock, but who can afford to work like that?
It use to be Vegas would gladly accept anything you put on the time line. Then Sony decided that Panasonics MXF isn't good enough and we had to get something like Raylight to get it on the time line...

I have had enough of their nonsense.

I am switching to Edius. I have only been impressed with it as an editor, but my concern is this. I work more often on commercials and film now days, and I do all my effects and compositing in Fusion, so I'm not to fussed about whether Edius is good at that or not, but is it going to cut the mustard when it comes to 10bit uncompressed 4:4:4 HD or bigger. the Red footage is 4k. Will Edius be able to work with it, once it's on my hard drives?
I have the AJA Xena 10 bit codecs on my machine, and Vegas 8 worked with them. Will Edius also work with them?

The Grass Valley white paper on Edius codecs mentions that the HQ+ codec is due for release, and that could allow full uncompressed HD RT editing. Does anyone know more about this?

(http://desktop.thomsongrassvalley.c...gy/whitepapers/cc_ediushd_whitepaper71545.pdf)

This is very important, as I will need to make the change soon. I cant keep on with 32bit Vegas. It just takes too long at the moment. I would appreciate any opinions and comments on this.

Like the stuff that forms in the corners of your mouth, that's the Squirly Luke.
 
That white paper's quite old; the codec they're discussing is Canopus HD, which is identical to DVCPRO-HD.

The HQ+ codec they mentioned is undoubtedly Canopus HQ, which has been with us for quite a while.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong anyone but Edius at the moment is only an 8bit editor.
I have not upraded from Broadcast yet to Ed 5 but I dont think I saw that as one of the upgrades...Who knows?
We shoot mainly Corporate and TVC's we own a HPX500 but on some occasions we hire the HPX3000 which can shoot 10bit as well as DVCPro, would love for Edius to be able to edit with that 10bit codec!
 
Does Edius not support AVC-INTRA native? I thought it did, and was always under the impression that the GVG hardware was 8 bit, but the software supported Uncompressed 10 bit, AVC-INTRA and HQ 10bit?????
 
EDIUS does support AVC-Intra native, and it's my understanding that all internal processing is 10-bit. But all the hardware boards are 8-bit.
 
I'm confused about that part of it, yes, I know you can edit avc-intra with it native.

So the output is 10 bit but the timeline and viewing footage in the program is 8 bit?
 
Interesting -- that conflicts with what I was told, but the marketing manager also said "EDIUS will evolve..." so -- maybe something changed between February and now? Although you'd think that would be big news.

I'll ask Brandon Higa about it, see if we can get a definitive response.
 
I thought I upgraded to edius 5 (from 4.51) around that time and am assuming they are talking about 5 the newest version, someone said maybe in future version 10 it will be 10 bit LOL :)

Let's hope, I have a feeling we will see more 10 bit cams in the next year.
 
The only 10-bit recording format out there in video land, in common use, is AVC-Intra. (well, and digital betacam, but that's SD). RedCode is 10-bit as well but it's not a video format, it's a digicine format.
 
Okay, got clarification from someone on the inside directly working with the EDIUS line.

Our ingest hardware is 8-bit, so any baseband video you ingest is 8-bit. The HQ codec, similarly, is 8-bit. If you do any processing within EDIUS it is 8-bit. Under limited circumstances, you can preserve 10-bit resolution. If you take in a format where EDIUS supports smart rendering (called segment encoding in EDIUS), and you do only cuts, and you export in the same format with smart render, then 10-bit is preserved.
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So it sounds like cuts-only AVC-Intra would be 10-bit, but if you added dissolves or titles or whatever, the rendered sections would become 8-bit.
 
Brandon would know... heh.. Nice guy btw. Took me to an authentic Hawaiian joint at NAB a few years ago. He recommended some crazy meat patties with gravy, eggs and rice.. That stuff tore me up!
 
So Barry, what you are saying is that if I can get the footage on my system in 10bit, Edius will work with it and output it. I just cant capture through the card in 10bit?

I know it sounds like I'm only hearing what I want to hear, but I really like Edius, and would rather work with it than Avid. I am getting my head around Media Composer anyway, cos I need to be able to do the work, the tool I use is really, at the end of the day, irrelevant, but if I can work on Edius, I would like to.

If what you are saying is true, then an AJA Xena card for capture, and Edius for edit could be the solution?

Like the stuff that forms in the corners of your mouth, that's the Squirly Luke.
 
Ah, I see...
Thanks Barry. So only the bits where you would actually see that it's not 10bit, like disolves etc, render 8 bit...
Seems kinda pointless to me.
If I did my composites and graphics in 10 bit, and brough them into Edius, they would be down scaled to 8 bit?
Is this true even of a format like DPX?

Arrghhh!!!Why can't they just make it 10bit???!!! There is a reason that Avid is the industry leader. It's called 10bit!!!

I don't want to go Avid, but it looks like I have no choice.
I will keep my eye on Edius, and when they can go the full monty, I will with out a doubt make the change.

Thanks guys.

Like the stuff that forms in the corners of your mouth, that's the Squirly Luke.
 
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