Editing from a sequence or "Event"

John Foundas

John Foundas

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Can someone help me out with a workflow issue?

In FC7 I would make a master raw sequence and edit from that in the viewer. Essentially allowing me to scrub through all my raw in a single swipe instead of pecking at individual clips.
Can I do the same with an "Event"? I'm stuck. Ive made a new project titled "Test Raw" with all the files in it etc…How do I make that EVENT or bring it into an EVENT Folder to edit from it?

Any help would be greatly appreciated...
 
Not sure what you meant by "raw" sequence, but it sounds like you want to scrub through all your clips in an event quickly without having to select and view each one individually?

One way is to select the event, then create a compound clip out of the event's clips (File>New Compound Clip). Double click it to open it in the timeline. Now it acts a lot like a single clip for you to scrub over and edit like any other clip.
 
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Raw sequence would be all of my raw footage in a sequence to edit from.
Thank you for the tip. My question now would be be how would I make tthat compound clip into an "EVENT"
trom which I can edit from in the viewer?

I am pkg editing, I am not cleaning up clips in the timeline.
I want to be able to do J/L/overwrites and Apend edits from the viewer.

Thanks!
 
Hi John,

Looks like we can't send clips back to event library: http://fcp.co/forum/4-final-cut-pro-x-fcpx/3458-compound-clips-project-event

For now the workaround should be export the project using the current settings (pretty fast, same codec) and import the .mov in event library for cutting. I did a fast editing like that using in/outs and marking as favorites (F), then showing only the favorite clips as thumbnails for selecting and moving to a project. My shorcuts were: J K L, I O and F to create all the subclips. I'm using keywords for better organizing (cmd+K) as well.

Cheers,
Ulisses
 
Why not just Select All in an Event and drop them into a Project? Isn't that the same thing?

Or Select All in and Event, right-click, Create New Compound Clip, right there in the Event.

How do you NOT edit from a Timeline in any version of FCP?
 
Thanks!
I think what got lost in translation is that certain tutorials simply show the viewer how to drop a large sequence of raw material into a Project and then do simple edits to clean it up right in the timeline.
My background is news. Package editing etc...Picking though individual clips is not an option, so we would make a master sequence of raw to edit from. Scrubbing through 30minutes of files in an instant.
I am looking for that same kind of workflow in X. I have done it easily in 7 ( although nesting was always a pain sometimes). Your suggestion seems to make sense. I'll give it a try. thank you!
 
So just drop everything into a Project and go to town. Same thing. What's not the same? I don't get what's not working for you.
 
Johnf said:
Raw sequence would be all of my raw footage in a sequence to edit from.
Thank you for the tip. My question now would be be how would I make tthat compound clip into an "EVENT"
trom which I can edit from in the viewer?

I am pkg editing, I am not cleaning up clips in the timeline.
I want to be able to do J/L/overwrites and Apend edits from the viewer.

Thanks!
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Clip>Break Apart Clip Items will expand your compound clip on the timeline to their individual clips to edit with.
 
Uhm.....if you put the event into icon-view you can skim through your clips very fast. Drag in-out-regions and hit "E" to drop them to the end of the timeline.

The other way would be as suggested "Select all" and then hit "E" to drop them into the project.
Now you can play though the timeline and trim with the commands "Trim-to-start" and "Trim-to-end". I have these two commands at the shortcuts "1" and "2". This works while the playhead keeps moving and is great for quick newsedits.
 
Johnf, you said in legacy FCP you dropped everything into a Sequence and edited it from there. Well, to do that, you had to create a new Sequence, drop all your raw clips in to it, then open it into the Timeline window to edit from.

Dropping all of your clips into a Project timeline in FCP X is the exact same thing.

You don't "edit in the Viewer" in legacy FCP, nor do you to that in FCP X. So I'm at a huge loss to understand what you were doing before. I've taught many news editors before from Fox, CNN, and local stations all over the country. I'm at a loss to understand what you mean by "edit in the viewer".

You seriously need to go through some basic training (macProVideo with Micheal Wohl or Ripple Training with Steve Martin) as you seem to not understand the workflow. An "Event" is a container that holds you media. Like a Bin in legacy FCP. You can't open that in to the Viewer nor edit from it.

You can make a Compound Clip in the Event Browser with all of your raw clips in it, but you still, just like in legacy FCP, have to open it into a Timeline window to edit it's contents.

Simply drop all of your raw clips into a Project timeline, then skim through them and edit as you wish. I'm not sure why this won't work for you. It's the exact same thing you did in legacy FCP. I also question your workflow in legacy FCP, too. I'm not sure that was the most efficient way of doing things. Editing is editing, no matter what type of show you're producing.
 
Johnf said:
Picking though individual clips is not an option, so we would make a master sequence of raw to edit from. Scrubbing through 30minutes of files in an instant.
I am looking for that same kind of workflow in X. I have done it easily in 7
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I read your request again and try to understand still. Unlike FCP7 in FCPX you can actually do that in the event/bin. FCPX is MUCH faster than FCP7 whatever way you try to tackle this. You can select I/Os in the event and after choosing to view only the favs drop them into the timeline or you set favorites of these I/Os and then only drop these favorites into the timeline.
 
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I read your request again and try to understand still. Unlike FCP7 in FCPX you can actually do that in the event/bin. FCPX is MUCH faster than FCP7 whatever way you try to tackle this. You can select I/Os in the event and after choosing to view only the favs drop them into the timeline or you set favorites of these I/Os and then only drop these favorites into the timeline.
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Sorry for the delay….

Let me try to be more clear.

I would take all my raw clips, create a sequence, move it to a bin and edit "FROM' that raw sequence. Instead of pecking through individual clips for soundbites, cutaways and broll, I would just scrub through the raw sequence and drop in my elements from there right to the timeline.
 
BenB said:
Johnf, you said in legacy FCP you dropped everything into a Sequence and edited it from there. Well, to do that, you had to create a new Sequence, drop all your raw clips in to it, then open it into the Timeline window to edit from.

Dropping all of your clips into a Project timeline in FCP X is the exact same thing.

You don't "edit in the Viewer" in legacy FCP, nor do you to that in FCP X. So I'm at a huge loss to understand what you were doing before. I've taught many news editors before from Fox, CNN, and local stations all over the country. I'm at a loss to understand what you mean by "edit in the viewer".

You seriously need to go through some basic training (macProVideo with Micheal Wohl or Ripple Training with Steve Martin) as you seem to not understand the workflow. An "Event" is a container that holds you media. Like a Bin in legacy FCP. You can't open that in to the Viewer nor edit from it.

You can make a Compound Clip in the Event Browser with all of your raw clips in it, but you still, just like in legacy FCP, have to open it into a Timeline window to edit it's contents.

Simply drop all of your raw clips into a Project timeline, then skim through them and edit as you wish. I'm not sure why this won't work for you. It's the exact same thing you did in legacy FCP. I also question your workflow in legacy FCP, too. I'm not sure that was the most efficient way of doing things. Editing is editing, no matter what type of show you're producing.
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Your comment was a bit rude…I think you're merely misunderstood my question or I didnt articulate it enough.

This was my first edit on FCX (under deadline) btw… https://vimeo.com/45978251

I'd appreciate an apology
 
Johnf said:
Sorry for the delay….

Let me try to be more clear.

I would take all my raw clips, create a sequence, move it to a bin and edit "FROM' that raw sequence. Instead of pecking through individual clips for soundbites, cutaways and broll, I would just scrub through the raw sequence and drop in my elements from there right to the timeline.
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This seems like a really backwards way of editing especially since it is easy to scrub through every clip in your project in FCPX, but here's how I would do it:

-Take every clip and throw them into a project.
-Highlight everything and create a compound clip.
-Start cutting your compound clip using the blade tool, arranging your video the way you want. Move clips, delete unused portions, etc.
-When finished, just export

Once again, I think this is a really inefficient way of editing and you should get used to 3 point editing especially since FCPX makes it so easy and fast to preview clips.
 
OK, this is like the 5th time. That is not my intent on how to edit.

My frame of reference is coming from a news background. Building packages. A-roll, nat sound breaks, then covering with B roll. Simple.
In FC7 I would make a sequence of all the raw video I shot on a story. I would then create a 2nd sequence that would in essence be the master timeline.
I would then edit "FROM" the raw sequence "TO" the timeline. I never had time to hunt and peck through each individual clip in a bin. Sometimes you need to be able to see the big picture of a story. See what your working with. 100+ little files to click on and just "SEE" what you have is a waste of time.
Editing from a raw sequence enables you to quickly scrub through large amounts of footage and set I/O on the fly for soundbites, nats and broll and drop them into a timeline very quickly and efficiently.

From what I gather you cannot take a Project and use it in an Event folder with X. So its a mute point.
 
You don't have to click on any clips in FCPX to see what you have like you did in legacy FCP. Turn on the skimmer and mouse over everything, it's faster than throwing everything into a sequence and then scrubbing through in a linear fashion, especially since you don't really have to play things through in real time. Just skim over clips as fast as your brain can process them. I do this routinely for interview videos where I am editing 20+ videos with interviews, music, and b-roll and turning them around inside of 8 hours. Thumbnail previews and waveform displays make this even easier by giving you a visual representation of what's going on - I can tell by the waveform when someone is speaking and can mark sections really quickly.
 
Yeah, I'm not getting at what the OP is attempting to do here to increase workflow.
In the event broswer, skim over what you like in a clip and I/O it. Drag that selection to a subfolder you make in the event browser. Call the subfolder what you want. Then, after you've grabbed your takes, drop them in the timeline and edit away. If you have a 3 minute clip and only need 20secs from the front and 10secs at the rear, skim and I/O those portions to your subfolder. Hell, why you're at it, place the whole 3 minute clip in the subfolder along with the sections you I/O'd.

Forget how you worked in FCP7. FCPX has some things to do to make it better, no doubt. But as an editor it really fast and intuitive once you're found how you want to work with it. Media management is quite amazing in FCPX.
 
So do the exact same thing with X. Drop it all in a Project timeline and work your way through. Exact same thing, although the news editors I work with are telling me this is a very slow workflow for working in FCPX. But there is nothing stopping you from doing the exact same thing in X. Thus I'm very confused as to what the problem is.

As for the previous post, its faster to hit i and o while skimming, hit F to Fav that Range, move on. Much faster than 7. Then set Browser filter menu to Favorites, work from there. Infinitly faster than legacy FCP.
 
Johnf said:
OK, this is like the 5th time. That is not my intent on how to edit.
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Aha...I think I got it and there are IMO only one way to do it then.
In X you cannot drag clips from the viewer into another sequence. You cannot have multiple sequences (the RAW sequence and the master timeline) open at the same time.

As everyone says your approach is not possible the same way, but there are a few which would be MUCH faster and efficient than in 7, because skimming through the event, rejecting (and excluding rejected clips from your view) and eventually the magnetic timeline are superior for your needs. But I can try one more suggestions that might fit into your accustomed workflow, but it won´t happen by dragging from the viewer or a sequence itself, you have to drag from the event or do it in the master timeline:

What comes closest: Select all clips. right-click and "make a compound". Switch the event to list view. Now select that compound and in list view it is showing up as one line. Now you can scrub through that line and select your stuff. drag I/O or press I/O where needed and hit "E" and it will drop to the end of your timeline.
I know it is not what you want, but you can´t drag individual clips from a timeline to the next, because only one can be open at the same time.

But I think the compound is an unneeded step, because you can skim the event just like you did your RAW-sequence before. It is faster in X. There is no need for a master-sequence or compound-clip. The event IS your master sequence.

Another tip if you want to edit fast: Find the commands "Trim-Start" , "Trim-ENd" and "Trim-to Selection". I mapped them to the keys 1, 2, 3.
When cutting to news and you need one answer you drop the interview into the timeline, select the answer and hit 3. Top and tail are cut away immediately and the timeline adjust and syncs around it. Trim-Start and Trim-End are great to tighten up the product and these commands work while the playhead moves, so you can watch and play it and at the same time trim it tighter without the playhead stopping, you can also adjust audio levels while the playhead moves, so while you hear the next quote you can fix some airport noise on the interview before without stopping. We do some very fast turnaround stuff and X is invaluable in cutting down deadlines to minutes what was hours before.
 
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