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No it basically is spring loaded.. its not there to really do the stedicam spring thing, its just to provide another contact point to the body, and little movement is absorbed by the spring. You can however where the belt higher or lower to give a little bit of adjustment, and one of the 2 stages can be locked down.
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No it basically is spring loaded.. its not there to really do the stedicam spring thing, its just to provide another contact point to the body, and little movement is absorbed by the spring. You can however where the belt higher or lower to give a little bit of adjustment, and one of the 2 stages can be locked down.
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[quote author=Jarred Land link=board=Links;num=1078340982;start=0#2 date=03/03/04 at 12:09:38]No it basically is spring loaded.. its not there to really do the stedicam spring thing, its just to provide another contact point to the body, and little movement is absorbed by the spring. You can however where the belt higher or lower to give a little bit of adjustment, and one of the 2 stages can be locked down.[/quote]
Thanks. It looks like it works amazingly well. A good stedicam rig is really cumbersome and most shoulder mounts don't even attempt to balance anything. The DVRig seems like a good hybrid. Any idea if EVS discounts off of the list price?
Barry S.
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[quote author=Jarred Land link=board=Links;num=1078340982;start=0#2 date=03/03/04 at 12:09:38]No it basically is spring loaded.. its not there to really do the stedicam spring thing, its just to provide another contact point to the body, and little movement is absorbed by the spring. You can however where the belt higher or lower to give a little bit of adjustment, and one of the 2 stages can be locked down.[/quote]
Thanks. It looks like it works amazingly well. A good stedicam rig is really cumbersome and most shoulder mounts don't even attempt to balance anything. The DVRig seems like a good hybrid. Any idea if EVS discounts off of the list price?
Barry S.
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I bought mine from Rush at EVSonline. Give him a call at 1-800-238-8480. I'm sure he will give you the best deal he can. Nice guy also.
I would also suggest the Zoe zoom control. It is as good as the cameras zoom -- Very nice. Make sure to say you are a DVXUser.com member.
If you get the DVRig Pro, do yourself a favor and take the time to balance it out perfectly -- It makes a big difference.
-Rodger
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I bought mine from Rush at EVSonline. Give him a call at 1-800-238-8480. I'm sure he will give you the best deal he can. Nice guy also.
I would also suggest the Zoe zoom control. It is as good as the cameras zoom -- Very nice. Make sure to say you are a DVXUser.com member.
If you get the DVRig Pro, do yourself a favor and take the time to balance it out perfectly -- It makes a big difference.
-Rodger
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yes call them, they will shave a few bucks off the normal price, but you need to be a member of DVXuser, which you already are.
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yes call them, they will shave a few bucks off the normal price, but you need to be a member of DVXuser, which you already are.
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Rodger--how finely is the camera balanced? Can I have mic cable (or two) hanging off the side with some movement and will the rig stay balanced. What about swapping out different sized batteries? I don't mind going through an elaborate balancing ritual after buying the thing, but I don't want to be continually rebalancing. Thanks.
Barry S.
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Rodger--how finely is the camera balanced? Can I have mic cable (or two) hanging off the side with some movement and will the rig stay balanced. What about swapping out different sized batteries? I don't mind going through an elaborate balancing ritual after buying the thing, but I don't want to be continually rebalancing. Thanks.
Barry S.
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front to back balancing isnt as critical as side to side.. so different batteries shouldnt make a noticable difference. It isnt as picky as a glidecam/stedicam, but like Rodger said balancing it perfectly will make your shots alot smoother , as you are compensating less in keeping the camera level, so you can almost float it around.
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front to back balancing isnt as critical as side to side.. so different batteries shouldnt make a noticable difference. It isnt as picky as a glidecam/stedicam, but like Rodger said balancing it perfectly will make your shots alot smoother , as you are compensating less in keeping the camera level, so you can almost float it around.
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[quote author=Jarred Land link=board=Links;num=1078340982;start=0#7 date=03/03/04 at 13:58:24]front to back balancing isnt as critical as side to side.. so different batteries shouldnt make a noticable difference. It isnt as picky as a glidecam/stedicam, but like Rodger said balancing it perfectly will make your shots alot smoother , as you are compensating less in keeping the camera level, so you can almost float it around.[/quote]
Ok, that seems reasonable. It looks like you can easily crane up and down--what about panning and tilting? Do you just pan by pivoting your body? How about tilt?
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[quote author=Jarred Land link=board=Links;num=1078340982;start=0#7 date=03/03/04 at 13:58:24]front to back balancing isnt as critical as side to side.. so different batteries shouldnt make a noticable difference. It isnt as picky as a glidecam/stedicam, but like Rodger said balancing it perfectly will make your shots alot smoother , as you are compensating less in keeping the camera level, so you can almost float it around.[/quote]
Ok, that seems reasonable. It looks like you can easily crane up and down--what about panning and tilting? Do you just pan by pivoting your body? How about tilt?
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panning and tilting is a snap.. as long as on the pan you move your shoulders of course. You can even leave the front knob loose so you can tilt to the ground or up in the sky while keeping your body straight.. so if you are shooting planes all day you dont need to arc back like a monkey.
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panning and tilting is a snap.. as long as on the pan you move your shoulders of course. You can even leave the front knob loose so you can tilt to the ground or up in the sky while keeping your body straight.. so if you are shooting planes all day you dont need to arc back like a monkey.
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The most steady way to shoot with this rig is to keep your eye tight into the viewfinder. Pans are done by twisting from the waist and knees if necessary. Tilting is nice as you *press* the camera down or up while you pivot your neck. You can also bend at the knees and back while keeping the lens level for some nice semi-low shots -- Just not too long ones ;D.
If you like, you can also open the LCD panel for viewing and pull the camera down about mid-chest level for a nice effect and reduce the "greater then thou" effect should mounts can sometimes give -- Especially if your tall.
If you've mastered the stedicam glide, this rig will surprise you how steady it can really be at a moderate walk and climb. The spring loaded center support does take a nice amount of the *shakes* out and if your careful to use a light touch on the grips there is almost no transfer to the camera, even at full zoom with OIS off.
It's a good rig. If it were $450.00 or so it would be a GREAT rig.
-Rodger
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The most steady way to shoot with this rig is to keep your eye tight into the viewfinder. Pans are done by twisting from the waist and knees if necessary. Tilting is nice as you *press* the camera down or up while you pivot your neck. You can also bend at the knees and back while keeping the lens level for some nice semi-low shots -- Just not too long ones ;D.
If you like, you can also open the LCD panel for viewing and pull the camera down about mid-chest level for a nice effect and reduce the "greater then thou" effect should mounts can sometimes give -- Especially if your tall.
If you've mastered the stedicam glide, this rig will surprise you how steady it can really be at a moderate walk and climb. The spring loaded center support does take a nice amount of the *shakes* out and if your careful to use a light touch on the grips there is almost no transfer to the camera, even at full zoom with OIS off.
It's a good rig. If it were $450.00 or so it would be a GREAT rig.
-Rodger
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funny, It seems that you mould the rig to your own body. Im very tall, so I found using the pullout was the best way to keep it stable as looking my eye to the piece introduced awkward head movements.
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funny, It seems that you mould the rig to your own body. Im very tall, so I found using the pullout was the best way to keep it stable as looking my eye to the piece introduced awkward head movements.
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Thanks, Rodger. I am very happy that you have acquired so much experience on the DVrig in so little time. You're right, if it were $450, I think they would sell twice as many, but alas... Some manufacturers don't think like that. Despite that, it has definitely been the most successful shoulder rig we have ever sold, with about 50 units going out the door per month, and zero returns. That says a lot for a niche product.
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Thanks, Rodger. I am very happy that you have acquired so much experience on the DVrig in so little time. You're right, if it were $450, I think they would sell twice as many, but alas... Some manufacturers don't think like that. Despite that, it has definitely been the most successful shoulder rig we have ever sold, with about 50 units going out the door per month, and zero returns. That says a lot for a niche product.
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I think so. I'm 6'-4" and I had to put the belt just under my ribs to give the center support enough spring for me to look up high enough to see our flying wings without it pulling out ot the belt pocket. It would be impossible to track these 100+ MPH wings looking at an LCD, so I'm getting very use to using the view finder for focus/zoom and my left eye to track the target though an makeshift spotter. I'm fabricating a laser sight mount to fit to the DVX100 to take the place of the temp one on it now and should have it in a week or 2.
I keep the rear adjustment very tight and the front adjustment semi-tight, but it will move if I need it to. This seems to keep my head and camera at the same focal point and more or less fixed to one another.
But your right, it does kinda mold to fit your body/style of shooting.
-Rodger
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I think so. I'm 6'-4" and I had to put the belt just under my ribs to give the center support enough spring for me to look up high enough to see our flying wings without it pulling out ot the belt pocket. It would be impossible to track these 100+ MPH wings looking at an LCD, so I'm getting very use to using the view finder for focus/zoom and my left eye to track the target though an makeshift spotter. I'm fabricating a laser sight mount to fit to the DVX100 to take the place of the temp one on it now and should have it in a week or 2.
I keep the rear adjustment very tight and the front adjustment semi-tight, but it will move if I need it to. This seems to keep my head and camera at the same focal point and more or less fixed to one another.
But your right, it does kinda mold to fit your body/style of shooting.
-Rodger
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yeah i saw that laser spotter in the other post.. damn good idea, we think the same
Im 6' 7" and i found it pretty comfortable just above the waist, but then again im not looking straight up!
Hey do you have any footage yet of those wings? would be fantastic to see.
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yeah i saw that laser spotter in the other post.. damn good idea, we think the same
Im 6' 7" and i found it pretty comfortable just above the waist, but then again im not looking straight up!
Hey do you have any footage yet of those wings? would be fantastic to see.
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I posted a quick video I shot freehand on our website just after getting the DVX100. We had to put something up right away to show off our new model in flight. It's really not very good as I was really having a time keeping it in sight and in frame. This is the very reason in fact I bought the DVRig. Once I get the Ultra Sight mounted, I think I'll be able to do a very nice job of catching these and other planes in-flight.
Here's a link to the video. It's about 10.7 Mb.
http://speedwing.net/forum/files/msw250_vedauwoo.wmv
-Rodger
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I posted a quick video I shot freehand on our website just after getting the DVX100. We had to put something up right away to show off our new model in flight. It's really not very good as I was really having a time keeping it in sight and in frame. This is the very reason in fact I bought the DVRig. Once I get the Ultra Sight mounted, I think I'll be able to do a very nice job of catching these and other planes in-flight.
Here's a link to the video. It's about 10.7 Mb.
http://speedwing.net/forum/files/msw250_vedauwoo.wmv
-Rodger
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Hi Rodger,
I am glad you finally like the DvRigPro. I wish I knew you didn't
get a Manual, I could have mailed you a PDF.
Feel free to email me any ideas or complaints.
Let me know if you need a longer support pod, a wider rig, or belt extension.
We have just made a special model for two cameras side by side with two support pods.
The DvRigPro. is modular so it is very easy for us to modify it for special needs.
Danny Natovich
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Hi Rodger,
I am glad you finally like the DvRigPro. I wish I knew you didn't
get a Manual, I could have mailed you a PDF.
Feel free to email me any ideas or complaints.
Let me know if you need a longer support pod, a wider rig, or belt extension.
We have just made a special model for two cameras side by side with two support pods.
The DvRigPro. is modular so it is very easy for us to modify it for special needs.
Danny Natovich
info@dvtec.tv
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Thanks Danny!
Rodget wholly crap.. no wonder you need a scope to track that thing. Insane! and very cool!
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Thanks Danny!
Rodget wholly crap.. no wonder you need a scope to track that thing. Insane! and very cool!
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Thanks for the feedback. While $600 is a lot of money, I was initially considering a Glidecam 2000 with an arm brace for $400. Ultimately, I decided that I didn't like the Glidecam and didn't see any shoulder mounts that were appealing. Cheap Stedicam territory is in the thousands. While the DVRig is not a Stedi, it sure looks like you can use it for some basic Stedi-type moves.
The DVX's only weak point is the ergonomics for handholding. I'm used to shoulder mount cams which are considerably easier to hold steady over any period of time. I have some docs planned that will not work with the camera locked down on a tripod, so the DVRig looks ideal. Now if only my tax refund is big enough.
Barry S.
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Thanks for the feedback. While $600 is a lot of money, I was initially considering a Glidecam 2000 with an arm brace for $400. Ultimately, I decided that I didn't like the Glidecam and didn't see any shoulder mounts that were appealing. Cheap Stedicam territory is in the thousands. While the DVRig is not a Stedi, it sure looks like you can use it for some basic Stedi-type moves.
The DVX's only weak point is the ergonomics for handholding. I'm used to shoulder mount cams which are considerably easier to hold steady over any period of time. I have some docs planned that will not work with the camera locked down on a tripod, so the DVRig looks ideal. Now if only my tax refund is big enough.
Barry S.
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[quote author=danny link=board=Links;num=1078340982;start=0#16 date=03/03/04 at 16:44:51]Hi Rodger,
I am glad you finally like the DvRigPro. I wish I knew you didn't
get a Manual, I could have mailed you a PDF.
Feel free to email me any ideas or complaints.
Let me know if you need a longer support pod, a wider rig, or belt extension.
We have just made a special model for two cameras side by side with two support pods.
The DvRigPro. is modular so it is very easy for us to modify it for special needs.
Danny Natovich
info@dvtec.tv
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Thanks for the post Danny.
I can make a few suggestions right off. None of these fixes would make the DVRig Pro shoot better, but it would make it better/easier to use.
1.) Make at least an average and large size DVRig Pro and include either the larger or smaller support pod depending on which size is ordered.
Since you can angle the hand-grips in or out, I think the frame size is fine as is. I did adjust the hand-grips by angling them outward about 10 degrees each. This was necessary to keep my hands from feeling like they were hitting together ;D. It's pretty comfortable now, except the belt is way to high, just under my chest so the longer support pod would be nice in my case.
2.) Crimp attach the top plug into the support pod so it doesn't come off the pod. I've dropped mine off a couple of times. Had it happened in a few of the places I already shot at, it would now be lost.
3.) A deeper pocket in the belt would also help. Maybe some method of securing it to the belt just in case it pulls of the DVRig Pro and falls out of the pocket at the same time. Never happened to me yet, but I can see it may. Again if it falls at the wrong time it could be lost.
4.) If you could maybe use a spring which has been teflon coated, or a teflon sleeve in the tube of the support pod, it would move (slip) more free and make less noise. It's not bad now, but this would make it better. Teflon caps on the support pod would also let the ram slip better. I tried to put a little petroleum jelly on the ram, which worked very nice, but had to clean it off again as it was too messy.
All of these suggestion would only make a very fine product better. The design is really quite ingenious on the whole BTW. It has the ability to squeeze up very tight and close for very small people and yet has a method to adjust suitably for some of us larger 260 lb. people.
Thanks.
-Rodger
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[quote author=danny link=board=Links;num=1078340982;start=0#16 date=03/03/04 at 16:44:51]Hi Rodger,
I am glad you finally like the DvRigPro. I wish I knew you didn't
get a Manual, I could have mailed you a PDF.
Feel free to email me any ideas or complaints.
Let me know if you need a longer support pod, a wider rig, or belt extension.
We have just made a special model for two cameras side by side with two support pods.
The DvRigPro. is modular so it is very easy for us to modify it for special needs.
Danny Natovich
info@dvtec.tv
[/quote]
Thanks for the post Danny.
I can make a few suggestions right off. None of these fixes would make the DVRig Pro shoot better, but it would make it better/easier to use.
1.) Make at least an average and large size DVRig Pro and include either the larger or smaller support pod depending on which size is ordered.
Since you can angle the hand-grips in or out, I think the frame size is fine as is. I did adjust the hand-grips by angling them outward about 10 degrees each. This was necessary to keep my hands from feeling like they were hitting together ;D. It's pretty comfortable now, except the belt is way to high, just under my chest so the longer support pod would be nice in my case.
2.) Crimp attach the top plug into the support pod so it doesn't come off the pod. I've dropped mine off a couple of times. Had it happened in a few of the places I already shot at, it would now be lost.
3.) A deeper pocket in the belt would also help. Maybe some method of securing it to the belt just in case it pulls of the DVRig Pro and falls out of the pocket at the same time. Never happened to me yet, but I can see it may. Again if it falls at the wrong time it could be lost.
4.) If you could maybe use a spring which has been teflon coated, or a teflon sleeve in the tube of the support pod, it would move (slip) more free and make less noise. It's not bad now, but this would make it better. Teflon caps on the support pod would also let the ram slip better. I tried to put a little petroleum jelly on the ram, which worked very nice, but had to clean it off again as it was too messy.
All of these suggestion would only make a very fine product better. The design is really quite ingenious on the whole BTW. It has the ability to squeeze up very tight and close for very small people and yet has a method to adjust suitably for some of us larger 260 lb. people.
Thanks.
-Rodger