DVD format war

The end consumer doesn't know anything about DRM... most people don't even know what it is.. Most have no idea DVD's have DRM either...
And that's the point. What is the big advantage of the high-def player? To whom does that advantage apply? It's to the studios. Not to the consumer.

High-def DVD players are a product that the manufacturers want you to buy, not a product that the consumers want to buy. There's not all that much in it for the consumer, but there's a massive incentive for the manufacturer.

I'm not all that sure we're looking at DVD vs. VHS here (i.e., high-def DVD supplanting regular DVD); I suspect we might be looking at LaserDisc vs. VHS here. Or DIVX vs. DVD.


It bothers me to no end that everyone thinks that a digital download solution is the future..
And yet, it is the only logical solution.

as if any of the studios will allow complete DRM free versions of their content to be purchased.
Where there are millions (even billions) of customers, a solution will present itself, of that I have no doubt. But the future is download, not disc. :thumbsup:

I think what you said is partially true Barry, people do want instant access content without any DRM... on the internet... in the living I'd say HDTV / DVD / BD / HD-DVD is still king.
Perhaps. But in the kingdom of the blind, the one-eyed man is king. High-def disc will have a bit of a day, but it's years away from making substantial inroads.

Y'know what I find fascinating about the whole high-def disc business? Movies are perhaps the format that lends itself *least* to the high-def "wow" factor! Okay, I know I lost some of you, so stick with me... what's the big thing about the look of movies, as so many of our users are trying to accomplish? The out-of focus backgrounds, etc. Well, out-of-focus looks the same on HD as it does on SD.

Where do you really get the "wow" factor of HD? When everything's in focus. Sports. I can't stand watching SD sports anymore, it's gotta be HD. Sports and wide landscape nature vistas. That's where HD excels.

The value for movies? Not as much. Sure they look better, but not as much better as a football game does. Let me try to say it another way: the perceived quality difference between SD sports and HD sports is much higher than the perceived quality difference between DVD movies and high-def DVD movies. If that makes sense.

Not that it matters much, but I'm using it to point out why Joe Consumer hasn't exactly beaten down the doors to buy high-def disc players. I mean, "Casino Royale" was the top-selling high-def disc for the week ended April 23, 2007. It sold 59,680 copies. That same week "Happy Feet" sold FOUR MILLION DVDs.

That's why I wonder if these next-gen players aren't more likely to be the next-gen LaserDisc, bought by a few, appreciated by a few, but largely ignored by the masses while the masses waited for the next thing: DVD. High-def discs might be bought by a few and appreciated by a few, but largely ignored by the masses until fiber-optic cable rolls out and we get realtime on-demand high-def downloads. And when that happens, disc sales will suffer in the same way that audio disc sales suffered in the face of downloadable music. Won't disappear, obviously, but will decline significantly.
 
i just play standard dvds on an a player that upconverts the image and it looks very good. i'll switch to hd when prices come down, but right now it isn't worth the investment for me.

as a side note, i think there are a lot of people out there that don't really understand it all. a few weeks ago i was in best buy and there was a guy asking the salesman if the tv displayed real 1080p or fake 1080p. i think he meant 1080i. :)
 
Y'know what I find fascinating about the whole high-def disc business? Movies are perhaps the format that lends itself *least* to the high-def "wow" factor! Okay, I know I lost some of you, so stick with me... what's the big thing about the look of movies, as so many of our users are trying to accomplish? The out-of focus backgrounds, etc. Well, out-of-focus looks the same on HD as it does on SD.

Where do you really get the "wow" factor of HD? When everything's in focus. Sports. I can't stand watching SD sports anymore, it's gotta be HD. Sports and wide landscape nature vistas. That's where HD excels.

If the films i watched consisted entirely of Close Ups then your point my hold.

'...so many of our users are trying to accomplish...' come on.. even you have to think that is a poor example... too many people on this site are ONLY concerned with shallow depth of field and apparently nothing else.. so ya.. for their films.. shot entirely on a telephoto end of their camera perhaps it won't make a difference.

There is a very noticeable difference in image quality; I can see it... I have seen it... Image quality is important to me.. and important to many others.

Realistically.. nobody is forcing you or anyone to buy an HD format disc.. I'm sure if it completely dies off my Blu-Ray movies will still work fine..

The highest sales number I believe is 160K in the first week for either Transformers (HD-DVD) or Spidey 3(Blu) but don't quote me I didn't confirm.. just saying.. considering the penetration of HDTV's.. not half bad.

Anyways I am done justifying optical formats. I have said enough about it.
 
Barry, that's why the PS3 makes sense. HD works fantastic for gaming. Having an extra Blu-Ray player with the machine is great. Sincerely, I'm really not much of a Sony believer, since I owned the previous Playstations and both of them had Disc Drive failures. But I believe this time they got it right.

Gran Turismo 5 Prologue is a sight to behold. It has my car in it, which is a plus (Suzuki Swift Sport). Excelent games are coming with a cinematic experience (Metal Gear Solid 4, for example, or Final Fantasy XIII), and the machine plays high bit rate avc files. Believe me, if the local Cultural Centre, where I'm going to have my short Premiere, doesn't have DVCPRO HD support, I will have to bring my PS3 and connect it trough component or HDMI to their Top End projector in order to have my film projected in HD!

Its a fantastic piece of gear.

As for Blu-Ray movies... As much as the Up Rezzed ones look good, I would really love to have these movies in HD:

1- In The Mood For Love, from Wong kar Wai

2- Moulin Rouge

3- The Godfather Trilogy

4- Bicycle thief

5- La Strada

6- Tim Burton's Batman, a Nightmare before Christmas, etc.

7- M. Night Shyamalan movies (Already own lady in the Water- yes, I know...)

8- Paris Je T'aime! Short film compilation



I already own most of the Kubrick collection Blu-rays, so bring me Scorcese, De Palma, Fellini, Lurmann, Wong Kar Wai, Gondry !

owning these movies in these formats is a way to having my own movie library in the best possible quality. In the near future, 60 to 100" HD screens will be the norm, and as long as they keep component or HDMI compatible inputs, I will be a happy man with my Blu-ray library...
 
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