Double System Necessary or Luxury

filmelife

filmelife

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Hello,

just wondering if double system is necessary, and what is the main reason to do it, is it the 24bit capabality

if dialogue recording only, would going into mixpre then to hvx200 [to P2 not tape] be of high enough quality, or is the recorder a must


thank you
 
depends if you need more tracks or you cant go straight to the camera ( steadicam)
other wise just for dialog you can live with camera sound
 
no its not - but there would be sertanly these who will jump :-)
its better invest in better analog equip which can establish your line level
by the way , the 302 is better sounding pre ,i will say less colored sound
better metering section and much better output gain stage what is muchy essential to your camera .
not to mention you have much better monitoring and ms capabilities .
and if you abit thinking about futer the 3rd channel is alwais is something that comming handy
 
depends on what your doing. I think most big budget films expect that today. But considering your question and where you posted it I sort of doubt this is a big budget feature so I don't think it would be required, might not even be wanted. Video post is most likely going to be done at 48/16. I personally always push hard for the mixer to also be recording. My reasoning is that in my experience it's way too easy for the DP or camera operator to screw up the audio and I want a reliable backup. However Oleg who has a LOT more production experience than I has no problem going direct to camera. I suspect a lot of the difference has to do with his experience and the experience level of the camera dept on his shoots being a step or three over what mine have been. I don't do that much production recording (mostly post and FX recording) and so when I do it's often with small less experienced crews.

But 9 times out of 10 the direct to camera will be the tracks that are used.

Post wise I am usually working at 24 bit and dithering down for the final layback. Mostly because I've been recording FX at 24 and even if the recordings are at 16 plugins and post processing will use the extra bits and it helps a slight amount to reduce the "digitalness" that can creep in if you need to do a lot of work on the dialog track.
 
Oleg,

I hadn't heard of any complaints with the MixPre pre's? I haven't listened to the 302, and I agree with all the rest, if it were available I probably would have gotten the 302. If the 302 has nicer Pre's that's impressive because the MixPre's are pretty sweet.
 
the colorizing is about music recording , the preamp is very worm
for dialog it is not an issue at all .
 
I've grown quite attached to having my FR-2 along on single-system shoots. Aside from the usual uncompressed backup applications, I like being able to roll wild-takes and rehearsals, as well as room tone, without going through the camera. For one thing, I'm no longer using up camera tape for audio-only opperations. This also speeds up the dialogue edit, since the wild-takes, out-takes, and RT tracks are all available in meticulously labelled Bwav files. If the dialogue editor (often myself) needs an alternate reading of a particular line, a DVD full of Bwav's is easier to go through than an armload of HDcam tapes (especially if the edit suite doesn't have an HDcam deck).

A field recorder also lets me grab any incidental location foley without botherring the Camera opperator.
 
Smuir, good points there, but i figure by recording to p2 only, then i can rename the shots which are recorded over black and slated with white paper written on it whether its roomtone, BG or whatever.

I'm just waiting on the mixpre to give it a drive

thanks guys, very helpful
 
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