Jawa Ex Machina
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I guess you're paying for the beer, then.Oh. Didn't realize I lost. Thanks for letting me know that. Silly me. I thought everybody had won because it's been a pretty interesting discussion.
But my bad.
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I guess you're paying for the beer, then.Oh. Didn't realize I lost. Thanks for letting me know that. Silly me. I thought everybody had won because it's been a pretty interesting discussion.
But my bad.
If you took $10K from someone to make a film and used 70% of it as a bonanza to enrich yourself with equipment instead of putting it into the film, good luck with getting further work. (Oh, and good luck keeping the equipment, too.)
Actually, I think I can get the beer donated, so it won't cost me anything. :beer:I guess you're paying for the beer, then.![]()
Well, the point is -- you worked for a year, and your net total "profit" was $200.
Is that all you value your time at?
If you took $10K from someone to make a film and used 70% of it as a bonanza to enrich yourself with equipment instead of putting it into the film, good luck with getting further work. (Oh, and good luck keeping the equipment, too.)
If you have all of those AMAZING resources at your disposal, then why the hell are you stuck with a $10,000 budget?![]()
You're talking about how much something is WORTH, not how much it cost to make. A Snickers bar might only cost the producer of said Snickers 12 cents a bar, but to the consumer it's WORTH paying 2.50 (or whatever a Snickers costs nowadays).
So my 800 dollar film cost me 800 bucks to make, but to me it's WORTH $90,000.
Apples and oranges.
Someone show me the script for this amazing feature, and some samples of their work, and I'll put up the $10k.
But it has to be "amazing".
Well, if it is worth $90,000 then why did you sell it for $200?So my 800 dollar film cost me 800 bucks to make, but to me it's WORTH $90,000.
Apples and oranges.
INT - LIVING ROOM - EVENING
Well, if it is worth $90,000 then why did you sell it for $200?
Let's re-examine it. I asked you if you spent $800 cash, and your total receipts were $1,000... Would you consider that a profit? You said yes, but I think you're now understanding that no, that isn't a profit at all, you're horribly in the hole.
I agree with you that you should be valuing at $90k. That is the worth of what you spent. And $200 is no profit at all, you sold a year of your life for that $200. That wasn't a profit, it was a massive loss.
Just trying to put the value all in perspective. Respect the value of your time and your efforts. And then doubly respect the value of the efforts others donate to you, and make sure you pay them all back.
INT - LIVING ROOM - EVENING
You're hired! Multi-picture deal!
And it’s fair to say the film’s hefty drop was down to the critics—“Atlas Shrugged Pt. 1” managed only a 7% fresh rating at Rotten Tomatoes, with most critics happy to tear the film a new asshole. Even Jeff Otto, who reviewed the film for us, who took a far more impartial look at the film that this writer could have managed, gave it a rare ‘F’ grade, calling it “an aimless, amateurish and, more to the point, stone cold boring piece of drivel.” All in all, it seems to mean that Aglialoro won’t push ahead with his plans to film the rest of the book.
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As Aglialoro suggests, he won’t lose money on it—the film was produced far too cheaply for that—but it seems that the effort involved, the low profit margins, and the critical brickbats slung at the film, have sapped his desire to get Rand’s work on screens.
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In reality, “Atlas Shrugged Pt. 1” was, ironically, crushed at the free market—the film had every chance of being a crossover hit, but it was marketed exclusively at a niche audience of Tea Party types, who either didn’t bother to show up, or don’t exist in sizable enough numbers to sustain a film like this. Essentially, it’s the “Scott Pilgrim Vs. The World” of Objectivist thinking.
Well, if it is worth $90,000 then why did you sell it for $200?
Let's re-examine it. I asked you if you spent $800 cash, and your total receipts were $1,000... Would you consider that a profit? You said yes, but I think you're now understanding that no, that isn't a profit at all, you're horribly in the hole.
I agree with you that you should be valuing at $90k. That is the worth of what you spent. And $200 is no profit at all, you sold a year of your life for that $200. That wasn't a profit, it was a massive loss.
Just trying to put the value all in perspective. Respect the value of your time and your efforts. And then doubly respect the value of the efforts others donate to you, and make sure you pay them all back.
My point was just that I could see someone making a film if new equipment was the payment. (e.g. if they called in all their own personal favors and produced the film in every term but the financial, I could see them doing it despite not owning the rights to the film when it's all said and done)
So . . . putting tons of time, effort, and skill into someone else's project is worth something that ought to be accounted for?
INT - LIVING ROOM - EVENING
TERRY LASATER
When is the baby due?
CHARLI
There is no baby.
TERRY LASATER
What are you talking about?
CHARLI
I told Barry that to make it interesting.
You're not going to tell him, are you?
MATT IN STL
Charli, are you feeling okay? Because this is getting worse and worse.
TERRY LASATER
I feel like I'm sitting on an atomic bomb waiting for it to go off.
CHARLI
I don't want you guys to be worried about me.
BARRY GREEN enters the room.
BARRY GREEN
Oh hai, Charli. How is my future wife today?
CHARLI
There is something I have to tell you. There is no baby. I made it up.
BARRY GREEN
How could you betray me like this? The whole world betray me. YOU ARE TEARING ME APART CHARLI!!!
People have spent a year on comic book series and I'm sure have made less than 200 bucks for their efforts. Heck, novelists spend decades writing and making nothing whatsoever; lots of painters, musicians, etc. If I make an album and sell it out of my trunk, that's just what's happening.
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But you write a book because you need to write THAT book, you should make a film because you want to make THAT film and do it to the best of your abilities and resources.