Do you credit the equipment hire company?

Seems to me that putting logos from Apple Panasonic Etc. would let people know you were making something legit. Although if the movie that preceds the credits is awful then there is no helping that cause.
 
Credits are nice.

I did a custom design for a large audio mastering house and a term on the deal was that the software interface would not carry the designer's name and that I would never mention I designed and implemented the software or use the deal in advertising. I'm not even sure it is legal but the money was extremely good.

In another project, while discussing a dealership with a Japanese customer he said: You must be insane if you think I would ever want anyone else to use this software. I only use it when there is nobody around and I have never discussed it with any other engineer. Then I got the same school of thought from an Australian friend with which I had an ongoing project. I decided to get out of the audio market at that very point.

So much for word of mouth.

What do I have to do to get people to enjoy my huge logos on their software or wear t-shirts with my brand:)
 
Andrew McCarrick said:
Well actually, it's pretty damn close to goodbye to the entertainment business, for me. I've been trying to do a film for over 9 years and always hit dead ends. Between this, dealing with unions, and never being able to find money to actually shoot anything, it's pretty much not worth it anymore.
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Andrew, 9 years ago you were 12yo right? I don't trust people with elevators at that age. Take you time. Study, practice, get organized and it will happen. This or another film.
 
You are too young to be dissapointed Andrew. I can't think of many people that actually did something at that age. Your parents are not in the film industry, right? You will have to reduce the requirements, even if that means changing something you consider important. As long as you have people to work with, you can create. Even if you have one location, one actor and a small camcorder, you can create something that shows what you got. Try to write or find someone who can write something that does not depend on money. By reading the forums you might think everything is about the money. That's true of course for filmmaking in general, money helps, but that never stopped anyone with a idea that can sell. Sometimes, it's just an excuse that takes people into the pesimistic school of thought. Production value will never hide the deficiency of the creator.

You probably liked Blair Witch and Paranormal Activity. Money didn't stop those guys. They just tried hard, even after the product was finished.

Have you seen Nolan's Following? It probably took forever to shoot in that budget (spent only on things related to film I bet). If it was shot today, Nolan would probably use a small HD camcorder to shoot it.

Don't think in budget terms, you are not there yet. That's the capitalist approach to filmmaking, if I had this and that, the means of production I would get results. Yes, but No. Thousands of projects have 50k for a film, it's a no budget amount, this alone gives you no advantage. If you have 40million, fine, that can buy all the talent and marketing you need, but you don't. I have read some of your posts in the past about your film. Your plan for the film was similar to what a major production company would do. But they have large budget, logistics, planning, manhours to spend on every single detail and the ability to get in and out of location in hours and still get it right. You will fail if you attempt to do things this way. Even if you have the budget. At your level of experience and with your level of enthusiasm it will be a catastrophy. Think small for a moment. What can you do with what you have? Even if it doesn't turn out to be an important piece of work, even if you don't see something that demostrates your filmmaking abilities, you will learn a lot about production and connect with your crew. That's the old fashioned way and that's what gets the results.

A no budget filmmaker only has two weapons. One is the script, the idea, the concept. If you don't have something solid, something that gets exprienced people to be enthusiastic about the project, you are simply wasting your time. The second is time, time for planning, time for rewrites, time for working around the limitations. Once you have a concept, start investing time. You got time, right?
 
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Andrew McCarrick said:
That's the problem, is I don't. Everybody that say's they'll help,blows me off... every damn time. All I've found in life is that people are unrealiable.
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Do you like 3d animation? you could try making a short by yourself, learn using the free tools that are available and go for it, you can also tell stories that way. If you can't make films, have you ever though of helping other people make films, working in other's productions? I don't know just giving out ideas, I'm 20 myself and all I have done until know is work in productions that aren't mine. With the hopes of learning enough to make my own sometime soon(I'm in the planning stage of a live action mixed with animation short film...).
 
Andrew McCarrick said:
That's the problem, is I don't. Everybody that say's they'll help,blows me off... every damn time. All I've found in life is that people are unrealiable.
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Andrew, I am reading your posts here.

Tell me this, what would you spend that 1200 for the webisode on? Money helps, but if you really want to do this project, you will find a way to do it without the money.

What other projects have you completed?

I am not saying that your frustration is misguided, but whenever I hear someone say "people are unreliable" or even what you said here "Everbody........blows me off... every damn time", I start to wonder. Is there a disconnect on your end?

Or maybe you are asking the wrong people to help you out. No, let me rephrase that. Maybe you are asking the wrong people to collaborate on a group project to make it happen with you.
 
Doc Bernard said:
Tell me this, what would you spend that 1200 for the webisode on?
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1 camera with IR capabilites (Don't care if its used or new, SD or HD) - $250 - $800 (My ideal choice would be the Sony CX500V)
1 Audio Recorder - $50
1 EMF Detector - $60
1 K2 Meter - $60
3 Aiptek 720p cameras - $100 (each)
3 cheap tripods - $15 (each)

= $515 + the price of the camera (+ tape stock or SD card depending on the camera)

And that's to produce an entire 6 to 8 episode season.

Initally we can probably get by with just the IR camera, audio recorder, and either the EMF or K2.
 
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I have to admit that in my experience very, very, very few people are reliable in any meaningful way unless they are being paid.

Yes, I work with friends and acquaintances on various unpaid small and/or personal projects but (a) most of the people involved are already production professionals with a clue as to how professionals behave and (b) the people who aren't seem unusual in their ability to be where they say they will be, doing what they say they will be doing, because they gave their word and they honor their word even when it's not necessarily pure fun, to do it...
 
A large % of people are indeed unreliable, but there are always those who will stand by you. People need to see a leader in you. Someone who appears strong enough and dedicated enough to get through the project. They will invest time in the project, and they don't even receive monetary compensation in this type of project. They need to be sure you have what it takes. They need security. A leader does not whine, a leader finds a solution. A leader keeps others from whining. If case the ship sinks, they must see you as the one that will go down with it. People will do everything to help a man with a vision. Deep inside most people are romantic, even if they never had a chance to apply it in their personal decisions or because of that. Combine a vision with pragmatism (a solid plan) and it becomes irresistable. People will want to be a part of your effort.
 
If the ship is going down, a *real* leader hands out oars, sticks a mast in his ass and volunteers as the life raft...
 
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