Do several short shorts, or one longer short?

i've spent the last two years embracing this notion of being not just an artist, but an artist-entrepreneur. there are enough differences between making a short and making a feature that I would suggest (if long-form is what you want to be doing and you can afford it) jumping into features. yes, you will likely have to bury the first one like tarantino did. but the education will be invaluable, and different in many ways from what you'd learn making a short. the first film I ever directed came in at 89 minutes. I learned a ton. there's a difference between working with an actor for three days on a short and 24 days on a feature where you have to sustain a compelling character arc, internal and external conflict, all shot out of order over the course of four weeks. shorts are perfect for learning lighting, composition, editing, sound design, etc. but I'd say the greatest education I received doing a feature was working with actors, learning how to guide them and most importantly: when to get out of their way. I personally, don't think there is enough time on a short film production to really learn much about that process. some, for sure.

also the benefit of features, imo, is not just about the mechanics of making a movie, but also the first-hand knowledge of how the world of finance and distribution work. the feature I made got me seen by magnolia and sony pictures classics, meetings with agents and top producers followed, and it opened up relationships with other people of influence that will give my second feature the sort of support it needs to have a fighting chance. none of the shorts i made after making the feature have done anything other than win awards at festivals. which is great, but I can't parlay a "best short" award into financing another feature. the impression I've had is that the gatekeepers look at shorts as a hobby, which we all know is BS, but you've got to be mindful of the business side of sustainable moviemaking and there is nearly no exhibition platform for shorts that will generate revenue, let alone a return on investment.

now, if you're goal is to first learn some simple scene mechanics, do some short shorts until you've got a polished look. but if you've already got that, i'd move into features right away... so you can learn the hard truths about this business like i did. :)
 
Make the length as long as the story demands. If you become tempted to do an arbitrary number of minutes for any other reason, then it will suck. Period.

Eric von Stroheim's version of "Greed"(1927) was 10 hours long, chopped by him to 4 hours, taken away by MGM after the merger with Goldwyn, and boiled further down to 2.5 hours or so, which is pretty much what is left today...

Stroheim's penultimate film, "Queen Kelly"(1929) was only half done when he was fired by Joe Kennedy... It would have been another 4 hours or so...

And these were silent films... both were disasters due to cutting to 'arbitrary' (or being fired...) times...

So, yeah, make the film run time match the story...

On the other hand... some stories are said well in short form... and belabored beyond their capability in a long form.
 
I'm a unrepped bum who somehow makes a living with boutique agengy, commercials, web series and some live event tv, but I gave all that up to gamble on for 2011 a tv pilot and a 40 mins short film.

Everyone is a director, so there isn't much use for people like us unless we stun them into submission w good work.

I really would like to step up into heavier special effects work so I'm gonna take a gamble w a sci fi long form short. Ultimately as a film maker I think we sometimes have to go with our first mind so we can be happy with the end results.

How long was el mariachi?
 
How long was el mariachi?

Saint Rodriguez saw fit to only shoot enough footage to piece together an 81 minute film. Saint Rodriguez also had in mind to present the results to Spanish language TV outlets, were the production values are less stringent than in Hollywood. Little did Saint Rodriquez know that Bona Dea works in mysterious ways, and catapulted him to stardom.

All hail Saint Rodriquez, blessed art thou among filmmakers, blessed is the fruit of thy camera, El Mariachi.
 
^not quite sure how to interpret all of that...

While I find "El Mariachi" and Rodriquez 'inspirational', I haven't canonized him. I don't know if it is valuable, beyond noting that 'things can be done on the cheap, and such things can get noticed", to analyze 'El Mariachi".

In these similar threads, I looked up the people who did "Blair Witch Project"(1999), they haven't really done anything since, despite their being forrunners of 'internet based viral' marketing. Even Tom Laughlin had more sequals to "Billy Jack"(1971) than the BWP guys have had for BWP.

And "Billy Jack" wasn't Laughlin's first film, that was, "The Proper Time"(1960), some 10 years before his 'success'... with a couple of years of hiatus in between...

As it was, I have no idea how Laughlin came by the money to spend on several of his 'pre-Billy Jack' movies, but the wiki notes that he independently produced all of his films.

I'm pretty sure however, that most people today would list the Billy Jack series as some sort of era 'phenomenon', themes such as oppressed youth, marginalized minorities, etc., rather than exhibiting skill in the craft of movie making.
 
Bwp, producer has a successful company doing transmdia capaigns here in new York. They did true blood translator campaign which was very successful.

Not sure about the rest of them.

Rodriguez can do no wrong in my eyes.

Aren't there other examples of long form shorts that broke thru? Didn't realized mariachi was feature length,
 
i've spent the last two years embracing this notion of being not just an artist, but an artist-entrepreneur. there are enough differences between making a short and making a feature that I would suggest (if long-form is what you want to be doing and you can afford it) jumping into features. yes, you will likely have to bury the first one like tarantino did. but the education will be invaluable, and different in many ways from what you'd learn making a short. the first film I ever directed came in at 89 minutes. I learned a ton. there's a difference between working with an actor for three days on a short and 24 days on a feature where you have to sustain a compelling character arc, internal and external conflict, all shot out of order over the course of four weeks. shorts are perfect for learning lighting, composition, editing, sound design, etc. but I'd say the greatest education I received doing a feature was working with actors, learning how to guide them and most importantly: when to get out of their way. I personally, don't think there is enough time on a short film production to really learn much about that process. some, for sure.



also the benefit of features, imo, is not just about the mechanics of making a movie, but also the first-hand knowledge of how the world of finance and distribution work. the feature I made got me seen by magnolia and sony pictures classics, meetings with agents and top producers followed, and it opened up relationships with other people of influence that will give my second feature the sort of support it needs to have a fighting chance. none of the shorts i made after making the feature have done anything other than win awards at festivals. which is great, but I can't parlay a "best short" award into financing another feature. the impression I've had is that the gatekeepers look at shorts as a hobby, which we all know is BS, but you've got to be mindful of the business side of sustainable moviemaking and there is nearly no exhibition platform for shorts that will generate revenue, let alone a return on investment.

now, if you're goal is to first learn some simple scene mechanics, do some short shorts until you've got a polished look. but if you've already got that, i'd move into features right away... so you can learn the hard truths about this business like i did. :)


And features are more likely to do this than shorts, I believe.

Good post, Zak.
 
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