Do film students really need their own cameras?
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Tina C said:
Hopefully... been meaning to go for ages, but cheaper flights to elsewhere kept me busy.
I live here BTW. Lovely spot.
Tina C
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I'm sure it *is* lovely, mmm, it's so green, with some nice open space. England is one place I've been wanting to visit for years. One of these days...
The citiy where I live it's pretty unremarkable, with generic California-type of buildings -- the city fathers having razed anything that had any architectural distinction, because it was "old." Uh, yeah, that's why it looked cool, assholes. Anyway, what I like about the area the most are the beaches. If you want to see, you can click Here, Here, Here, and Here. These are mostly pics of Shell Beach, which is just north of Pismo Beach, where Bugs Bunny used to go dig clams, after toyning West at Albaquoikey.
Lovely as it is, I can't wait to leave it all behind to go to CSUN!
The citiy where I live it's pretty unremarkable, with generic California-type of buildings -- the city fathers having razed anything that had any architectural distinction, because it was "old." Uh, yeah, that's why it looked cool, assholes. Anyway, what I like about the area the most are the beaches. If you want to see, you can click Here, Here, Here, and Here. These are mostly pics of Shell Beach, which is just north of Pismo Beach, where Bugs Bunny used to go dig clams, after toyning West at Albaquoikey.
Lovely as it is, I can't wait to leave it all behind to go to CSUN!
J.R. Hudson
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Exactly Tina! Same here in San Diego. Could nothing be more uninspiring than Californias generic stucco architecture and red tile roofs? I hate it.
Exactly Tina! Same here in San Diego. Could nothing be more uninspiring than Californias generic stucco architecture and red tile roofs? I hate it.
pookie_old
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J.R. Hudson
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Awesome!
In fact; I used to live in 2 places visible there (Lofts)
Great photo. Nice that there is like a gazillion people here now though. Makes me feel warm and fuzzy.
In fact; I used to live in 2 places visible there (Lofts)
Great photo. Nice that there is like a gazillion people here now though. Makes me feel warm and fuzzy.
Oh my god Tina's a man. :shocked:
pookie_old
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Isaac_Brody said:
That might explain the question about the "equipment".:huh:
Tina C
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ROFL!!!
Actually, it's my boyfriend, photoshopped into a pic of a woman wearing a wig.
He was really getting giddy one night, after almost a month straight of overtime and 7 workday weeks (because he was working his regular editing job, and then doing contract editing of films on the side, which is what he really likes to do). He said something ridiculous that I can't remember, and instead of saying, "well, that's your silly boyfriend," he said, "well, that's your silly girlfriend."
As you can see, he's not living that one down any time soon... :evil:
Actually, it's my boyfriend, photoshopped into a pic of a woman wearing a wig.
He was really getting giddy one night, after almost a month straight of overtime and 7 workday weeks (because he was working his regular editing job, and then doing contract editing of films on the side, which is what he really likes to do). He said something ridiculous that I can't remember, and instead of saying, "well, that's your silly boyfriend," he said, "well, that's your silly girlfriend."
As you can see, he's not living that one down any time soon... :evil:
taubkin
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Sorry to come back here after all that has been said, and insist on this pookie, but why can't you compare a film student to a film critic?
In USC you don't study film theory? You don't analise other people's films? You just shoot yours?
That is so bad, man, I learned so much reading and writing reviews of many films I've seen, it really opened my mind. Many people that study with me discovered they had more pleasure watching than making films, and that can be a nice way to work with films as well.
I think that film critics and theory is much easier to learn in a film school, than how to be a filmmaker. But Hollywood might be THAT different from latin america...
In USC you don't study film theory? You don't analise other people's films? You just shoot yours?
That is so bad, man, I learned so much reading and writing reviews of many films I've seen, it really opened my mind. Many people that study with me discovered they had more pleasure watching than making films, and that can be a nice way to work with films as well.
I think that film critics and theory is much easier to learn in a film school, than how to be a filmmaker. But Hollywood might be THAT different from latin america...
pookie_old
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Good question taubkin.
Well, in the simplist of terms, you can get a degree in filmmaking, you can't get a degree in film critic.
OK, a better example.
A filmmaker is an artist, a student of light, shadow, movement and space.
A film critic is a journalist.
The filmmaker wants to show you a world, and get the viewer to feel and react to what they are seeing.
A film critic tells you about what you just saw, and what your opinion of it should be. The film critic is the parasite of the film world, living off the efforts of others, with no actual contribution to the "product".
Well, in the simplist of terms, you can get a degree in filmmaking, you can't get a degree in film critic.
OK, a better example.
A filmmaker is an artist, a student of light, shadow, movement and space.
A film critic is a journalist.
The filmmaker wants to show you a world, and get the viewer to feel and react to what they are seeing.
A film critic tells you about what you just saw, and what your opinion of it should be. The film critic is the parasite of the film world, living off the efforts of others, with no actual contribution to the "product".
ecarr
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so..... is tina any closer to deciding on a camera after all this? i'm kind of in the same situation, except i'm still in high school with access to a pd150. i've been on top of this thread and i'm just curious what you finally decide.
it's great though, how this turned into a discussion of weather and skiing. this place is awesome, lol.
it's great though, how this turned into a discussion of weather and skiing. this place is awesome, lol.
pookie_old
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So whats your opinion ecarr?
keep in mind you're talking to a USC film school alum.
keep in mind you're talking to a USC film school alum.
ecarr
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my opinion? i say vancouver's definitely prettier than cali.
but on topic, i think it's a good idea to have your own camera: the more practice you get, the better. but steady access to a camera can have the same benefits.
the thing that's holding me back from buying my own is that i've got good access to the pd150 at school, and if i go cheap and get a little consumer cam, i'll be like, "why did i get this little thing when i can use the school's whenever i want?". but if i go ahead and get the dvx, there goes 3 grand of my hard earned money.
in tina's case, if it's gonna be hard to drop a lot on a camera, (you'll hate this pookie,) but i say hold off on the camera if you've got access to the school's. especially since you're just starting film school. you might decide you hate film. i say get experience on the school's gear before deciding on getting your own.
but on topic, i think it's a good idea to have your own camera: the more practice you get, the better. but steady access to a camera can have the same benefits.
the thing that's holding me back from buying my own is that i've got good access to the pd150 at school, and if i go cheap and get a little consumer cam, i'll be like, "why did i get this little thing when i can use the school's whenever i want?". but if i go ahead and get the dvx, there goes 3 grand of my hard earned money.
in tina's case, if it's gonna be hard to drop a lot on a camera, (you'll hate this pookie,) but i say hold off on the camera if you've got access to the school's. especially since you're just starting film school. you might decide you hate film. i say get experience on the school's gear before deciding on getting your own.
pookie said:
How about storyteller? I think that is the most important aspect. Even a DoP should work to serve a story... well in narrative filmmaking anyway.
Agree with you about critics... the worst is when they slag off a decent film and its like "well you do better then you F@!king parasite!"
Does anyone see Newsnight review on the BBC? I often want to shoot their pretentious critics. :evil:
taubkin
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Ah, now I see. We are banging a translation barrrier.
I don't mean a critic as a journalist, I'm not talking about siskel and ebert. I'm talkinga about someone that studies film. I'm talking about Andre Bazin, in the sixties, when his work as a "critic" (or academic) was indispensable for the estabilishment of the new age. I'm talking about those analysts, that can sometimes find meaning that not even the filmmaker himself new about, and show it to the world, and to the other filmmakers. Their work is not parasitic, it is inspiring! I see that many filmmakers dislike the critic work and analysis, but it is essential work. It does not mean we should shoot for the critics and not for the audience, but they shoudl be heard. Again, not the critics in the newspaper, but the ones that write those awesome books... I don't have any american examples... Ok, there is one: Professor Michael Renov, from USC, and his book on the history of the documentary. The team Bordwell and Thompson, for their excellent work on classic amercian films, and many others. That type of work cannot be made by anyone that did not study film. Didn't you watch films in school and analyse them? You only learned how to make them? It's a very educating activity.
Well, that is my opinion, at least...
I don't mean a critic as a journalist, I'm not talking about siskel and ebert. I'm talkinga about someone that studies film. I'm talking about Andre Bazin, in the sixties, when his work as a "critic" (or academic) was indispensable for the estabilishment of the new age. I'm talking about those analysts, that can sometimes find meaning that not even the filmmaker himself new about, and show it to the world, and to the other filmmakers. Their work is not parasitic, it is inspiring! I see that many filmmakers dislike the critic work and analysis, but it is essential work. It does not mean we should shoot for the critics and not for the audience, but they shoudl be heard. Again, not the critics in the newspaper, but the ones that write those awesome books... I don't have any american examples... Ok, there is one: Professor Michael Renov, from USC, and his book on the history of the documentary. The team Bordwell and Thompson, for their excellent work on classic amercian films, and many others. That type of work cannot be made by anyone that did not study film. Didn't you watch films in school and analyse them? You only learned how to make them? It's a very educating activity.
Well, that is my opinion, at least...